[Updated] Verizon To Officially Reveal Tiered Data Plans July 7th; Plans Leaked Below

[Cmking76]

ps I'm complaining I hate this autocorrect haha

 

[barski]

Did not one person read my post? It does use more data when you go faster. Your download speed goes up, that's more data. You upload speed goes up, that's more data. Just like my cable company, I use Road Runner Turbo for faster speeds.

I mean all you have to do is test your speed and you will see the increase in data.

I did read your post and still have to disagree with you. The data is pulled from the servers, not verizon. Verizon is the bandwidth. 3G and 4G is just a difference of bandwidth and how fast the data can travel. Think of it like a highway, with 2 lanes it get plugged up quicker causing for a slow ride. With 4 lanes it can move a high amount of traffic faster and doesn't get plugged up as quickly.

So it really doesn't use more data. It just uses more bandwidth to get it faster. Another way of putting this is, It uses more data at one time, but the same amount of data over all.

Hope this will clarify some things.

 

[czerdrill]

Then on top of all that after 4g comes down I very well could be connecting to a much slower network than the one I would get over 4g. That seems counterproductive doesnt it?

True. And I think that's why VZW is going to tiers because it's easier than policing tethering. The point you just made is precisely the concern - a lot of people don't tether because the speeds in most places aren't tolerable. But with LTE, you have a viable replacement to home broadband and many more people would start tethering a lot more (back in the day, that was my hope to drop the ISP with LTE and save $50 a month).

Well I guess I just feel they should find a better way to identify the people tethering and charge them accordingly instead of punishing us all for it. Even though thats how the world works generally, we all pay the price for the few that want to abuse the system. I guess we really shouldnt be suprised about it.

saves them money to just punish everyone. it sucks, but they have no reason to do it any differently.

 

[Cmking76]

I would be willing to pay 40 dollars for unlimited data a month so they could setup the system again tethering

 

[Cmking76]

all they have to do data bullets like cable company does to find people using illegal cable

 

[czerdrill]

all they have to do data bullets like cable company does to find people using illegal cable

or just use tiers.

 

[barski]

Have you done a comparison?

if you are using lets say 500kb down and 100kb up and you got to 4G and you're using 1gb down and 400kb up, that's more data.

How else would it be faster?

You will see an increase of bandwidth, giving you the ability to increase the amount of data that can be downloaded/ uploaded at one time. Say you have a 4mb file. At 400kbs it would take you 10 seconds to download and you will have your 4mb file. Now with a 1mbs connection it will download in 4 seconds and you will still have a 4mb file. You will just have it a lot faster. Still using the same amount of data.

Did not one person read my post? It does use more data when you go faster. Your download speed goes up, that's more data. You upload speed goes up, that's more data. Just like my cable company, I use Road Runner Turbo for faster speeds.

I mean all you have to do is test your speed and you will see the increase in data.

I did read your post and still have to disagree with you. The data is pulled from the servers, not verizon. Verizon is the bandwidth. 3G and 4G is just a difference of bandwidth and how fast the data can travel. Think of it like a highway, with 2 lanes it get plugged up quicker causing for a slow ride. With 4 lanes it can move a high amount of traffic faster and doesn't get plugged up as quickly.

So it really doesn't use more data. It just uses more bandwidth to get it faster. Another way of putting this is, It uses more data at one time, but the same amount of data over all.

Hope this will clarify some things.

 

[czerdrill]

^ that's all true, however if you have a higher bandwidth you will use more data, not because 4MB becomes 40MB, but because you can download 40 4MB files in 1/4 the time (just an example)...it's not like higher bandwidth and higher data consumption are mutually exclusive...in fact i'd say it's almost a guarantee that if you have more bandwidth you'll be transferring more data, and if you want more data you gotta pay

 

[barski]

^ that's all true, however if you have a higher bandwidth you will use more data, not because 4MB becomes 40MB, but because you can download 40 4MB files in 1/4 the time (just an example)...it's not like higher bandwidth and higher data consumption are mutually exclusive...in fact i'd say it's almost a guarantee that if you have more bandwidth you'll be transferring more data, and if you want more data you gotta pay

I get what your saying. Just wondering how 4MB becomes 40MB, please elaborate? I'm a networking guy, so i don't need a picture drawn up.

Its guaranteed that more data will be used with 4G. One reason you get what you want faster and have more time to do other stuff, such as download other stuff. Like i said in an earlier post.

Developers will use the 4G to there advantage to by creating larger applications and games. To further explain, since the phones are getting better displays, GPU's and processors they will be able to handle bigger and better/ more technical (1's and 0's wise) games and applications. Therefore the developers will be creating larger sized apps and games.

So as the transition to 4G happens i expect users to use more and more data, but for now i don't expect much more data to be used for the average user who switches over to 4G.

 

[Cmking76]

being that verizon/ frontier is one of the largest. home internet provider its only a matter of time that they tier that as well we'll see giw many people are still happy

 

[Cmking76]

being that verizon/ frontier is one of the largest. home internet provider its only a matter of time that they tier that as well we'll see how many people are still happy

 

[czerdrill]

^ that's all true, however if you have a higher bandwidth you will use more data, not because 4MB becomes 40MB, but because you can download 40 4MB files in 1/4 the time (just an example)...it's not like higher bandwidth and higher data consumption are mutually exclusive...in fact i'd say it's almost a guarantee that if you have more bandwidth you'll be transferring more data, and if you want more data you gotta pay

I get what your saying. Just wondering how 4MB becomes 40MB, please elaborate? I'm a networking guy, so i don't need a picture drawn up.

Its guaranteed that more data will be used with 4G. One reason you get what you want faster and have more time to do other stuff, such as download other stuff. Like i said in an earlier post.

Developers will use the 4G to there advantage to by creating larger applications and games. To further explain, since the phones are getting better displays, GPU's and processors they will be able to handle bigger and better/ more technical (1's and 0's wise) games and applications. Therefore the developers will be creating larger sized apps and games.

So as the transition to 4G happens i expect users to use more and more data, but for now i don't expect much more data to be used for the average user who switches over to 4G.

you don't get what i'm saying, because i didnt say that . I said you will use more data NOT because 4MB somehow becomes 40MB, but because you'll be downloading far more 4MB files if you're getting them in 4 seconds as opposed to 4 minutes. Higher bandwidth has always equaled higher data transfer for that very reason.

I don't think that suddenly every user is going to use 10GB/month but as more people switch to 4G, data usage will go up. There's no way it's going down, I'm sure we can agree on that, and chances are it's not going to go down because of the reasons stated above. Verizon knows this and thats why they're doing tiers.

 

[huskur]

I checked, I used 1.4 gigs last month and I dont stream music. Thats just surfing the web, email and downloads. Not heavy use at all. I dont have wifi at home, some people still dont have the best internet available to them.

Thats on 3g too. Im sure me like other people will do more on their phones once they get 4g. I know everyone says the downloads are faster, but there are things I dont do because the connection is slow. I would do more of those things with 4g.

Thing is why should I have to make sure my phones on wifi? Sure its fine if your somewhere youve been before and you have the connection set up. Also I keep my wifi turned off most of the time to save battery. So now I gotta keep my wifi on all the time. Then worry about going over my cap so every time Im somewhere new I gotta open up the settings find a network and connect to it?

Then on top of all that after 4g comes down I very well could be connecting to a much slower network than the one I would get over 4g. That seems counterproductive doesnt it?

That is my thoughts exactly.

^ that's all true, however if you have a higher bandwidth you will use more data, not because 4MB becomes 40MB, but because you can download 40 4MB files in 1/4 the time (just an example)...it's not like higher bandwidth and higher data consumption are mutually exclusive...in fact i'd say it's almost a guarantee that if you have more bandwidth you'll be transferring more data, and if you want more data you gotta pay

I get what your saying. Just wondering how 4MB becomes 40MB, please elaborate? I'm a networking guy, so i don't need a picture drawn up.

Its guaranteed that more data will be used with 4G. One reason you get what you want faster and have more time to do other stuff, such as download other stuff. Like i said in an earlier post.

Developers will use the 4G to there advantage to by creating larger applications and games. To further explain, since the phones are getting better displays, GPU's and processors they will be able to handle bigger and better/ more technical (1's and 0's wise) games and applications. Therefore the developers will be creating larger sized apps and games.

So as the transition to 4G happens i expect users to use more and more data, but for now i don't expect much more data to be used for the average user who switches over to 4G.

I think he's getting at some like this:

2 minutes of 3G = 4 MB
2 minutes of 4G = 40MB

With the faster speeds you are inclined to "do more"

Kinda like your cable/fios connections at your home. When you had dial up you would just turn on ESPN and wait for the news. It's just faster. BUT once you got cable/fios you just stay on the PC

 

[czerdrill]

I checked, I used 1.4 gigs last month and I dont stream music. Thats just surfing the web, email and downloads. Not heavy use at all. I dont have wifi at home, some people still dont have the best internet available to them.

Thats on 3g too. Im sure me like other people will do more on their phones once they get 4g. I know everyone says the downloads are faster, but there are things I dont do because the connection is slow. I would do more of those things with 4g.

Thing is why should I have to make sure my phones on wifi? Sure its fine if your somewhere youve been before and you have the connection set up. Also I keep my wifi turned off most of the time to save battery. So now I gotta keep my wifi on all the time. Then worry about going over my cap so every time Im somewhere new I gotta open up the settings find a network and connect to it?

Then on top of all that after 4g comes down I very well could be connecting to a much slower network than the one I would get over 4g. That seems counterproductive doesnt it?

That is my thoughts exactly.

^ that's all true, however if you have a higher bandwidth you will use more data, not because 4MB becomes 40MB, but because you can download 40 4MB files in 1/4 the time (just an example)...it's not like higher bandwidth and higher data consumption are mutually exclusive...in fact i'd say it's almost a guarantee that if you have more bandwidth you'll be transferring more data, and if you want more data you gotta pay

I get what your saying. Just wondering how 4MB becomes 40MB, please elaborate? I'm a networking guy, so i don't need a picture drawn up.

Its guaranteed that more data will be used with 4G. One reason you get what you want faster and have more time to do other stuff, such as download other stuff. Like i said in an earlier post.

Developers will use the 4G to there advantage to by creating larger applications and games. To further explain, since the phones are getting better displays, GPU's and processors they will be able to handle bigger and better/ more technical (1's and 0's wise) games and applications. Therefore the developers will be creating larger sized apps and games.

So as the transition to 4G happens i expect users to use more and more data, but for now i don't expect much more data to be used for the average user who switches over to 4G.

I think he's getting at some like this:

2 minutes of 3G = 4 MB
2 minutes of 4G = 40MB

With the faster speeds you are inclined to "do more"

Kinda like your cable/fios connections at your home. When you had dial up you would just turn on ESPN and wait for the news. It's just faster. BUT once you got cable/fios you just stay on the PC

Yes exactly. If you're downloading all day, you're going to use more data on 4g then 3g because 4g is faster. Meaning whereas on 3g you may be able to download 3GB in 24 hours, 4g you can do 20GB (these numbers are examples, not anything scientific, purely demonstrative).

A 4MB file doesn't become 40MB when you use 4G, but you will be downloading many more 4MB files through 4G, then you would, or could with 3G in the same amount of time.

 

[barski]

you don't get what i'm saying, because i didnt say that . I said you will use more data NOT because 4MB somehow becomes 40MB, but because you'll be downloading far more 4MB files if you're getting them in 4 seconds as opposed to 4 minutes. Higher bandwidth has always equaled higher data transfer for that very reason.

I don't think that suddenly every user is going to use 10GB/month but as more people switch to 4G, data usage will go up. There's no way it's going down, I'm sure we can agree on that, and chances are it's not going to go down because of the reasons stated above. Verizon knows this and thats why they're doing tiers.

ahhh.....that's facepalm worthy on my end. i think we are on the same page now. :laugh: