[Updated] Verizon To Officially Reveal Tiered Data Plans July 7th; Plans Leaked Below

[pc747]

all they have to do data bullets like cable company does to find people using illegal cable

or just use tiers.

Yeah tier cuts out all the need to spend money on technology just to catch the 5% using more than 5 times the amount of 80%. Lets be honest the people really sweating this hard are those who see they been using over 10 gigs a month and now realize that their bill will be going up 50 bucks a month or $600 a year unless they don't buy a new phone...and Vzw knows just like we do people are not gonna hold on to a phone forever. If people were doing that then best buy would not have wasted the time to have a buy back program.

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[czerdrill]

all they have to do data bullets like cable company does to find people using illegal cable

or just use tiers.

Yeah tier cuts out all the need to spend money on technology just to catch the 5% using more than 5 times the amount of 80%. Lets be honest the people really sweating this hard are those who see they been using over 10 gigs a month and now realize that their bill will be going up 50 bucks a month or $600 a year unless they don't buy a new phone...and Vzw knows just like we do people are not gonna hold on to a phone forever. If people were doing that then best buy would not have wasted the time to have a buy back program.

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yep i think everyone here can agree it's all about money. and instituting tiers is far cheaper then instituting some way to capture the 5% (or whatever %) who use a crapload of data a month. it may not be the fairest thing to do, but fairness has nothing to do with it.

 

[czerdrill]

you don't get what i'm saying, because i didnt say that . I said you will use more data NOT because 4MB somehow becomes 40MB, but because you'll be downloading far more 4MB files if you're getting them in 4 seconds as opposed to 4 minutes. Higher bandwidth has always equaled higher data transfer for that very reason.

I don't think that suddenly every user is going to use 10GB/month but as more people switch to 4G, data usage will go up. There's no way it's going down, I'm sure we can agree on that, and chances are it's not going to go down because of the reasons stated above. Verizon knows this and thats why they're doing tiers.

ahhh.....that's facepalm worthy on my end. i think we are on the same page now. :laugh:

hah no problem, i may have worded it a little confusingly.

 

[moset]

Unfortunately DSL isn't available in my rural area. Does DSL cost more if you use more? No. Just if you opt for higher rate. So, charge more for 4G, not for more use of it.
It will only cost VZW more if they buy more bandwidth, like the 2 lane/4 lane analogy. The traffic will slow down at the wired interface, call it a tunnel. All that traffic has to slow down there.
Content providers make more data intense content because connections get better and they can give you better stuff.
The FCC has refused to intervene on net neutrality. That's why the ISP's are allowed to now charge us more.
Just in case you're wondering who the government supports, it ain't us.
Oh, don't blame the White House. They are trying to improve the very same infrastructure that would make higher bandwidth available to all. Look at Europe, S. Korea. They are leaps and bounds ahead of us I'm that area.
Bottom line you gotta pay the band if you wanna dance.
I guess we're gonna keep dancing.
Maybe slow dancing.
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[Detonation]

3 weeks into my billing, I've used 0.033 GB of data. Why do I care if they limit me to 2 gb, I don't even use 1?

While you may not care, and many less-power user won't either, there are also many others than use 2GB+ data a month legitimately, myself included. When I added the new expense of a smartphone, I made it worth it by using it to its fullest. I got rid of my ipod and now stream a lot of music. I sync a lot of stuff to the cloud. I watch videos when I travel. The bottom line is that they are providing less for the same price. Obviously without unlimited, its always going to be less, but the $30 price point could have been something a little more than 2GB. And for users like you, they could offer a smaller package for less than $30. But of course they would never do that because that means ton of people paying the required $30/mo would now start paying less, and they'd lose money.

Did not one person read my post? It does use more data when you go faster. Your download speed goes up, that's more data. You upload speed goes up, that's more data. Just like my cable company, I use Road Runner Turbo for faster speeds.

I mean all you have to do is test your speed and you will see the increase in data.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're explaining it very wrong. As others have said, two people doing the same exact thing but at different connection speeds will use the same amount of data...the faster connection will just finish more quickly. Now, because they finish more quickly, they are more likely to look at other things in the time they saved, thus using more data. But to just say an increase in speed automatically means an increase in data is false.

 

[barski]

That is my thoughts exactly.

I get what your saying. Just wondering how 4MB becomes 40MB, please elaborate? I'm a networking guy, so i don't need a picture drawn up.

Its guaranteed that more data will be used with 4G. One reason you get what you want faster and have more time to do other stuff, such as download other stuff. Like i said in an earlier post.

Developers will use the 4G to there advantage to by creating larger applications and games. To further explain, since the phones are getting better displays, GPU's and processors they will be able to handle bigger and better/ more technical (1's and 0's wise) games and applications. Therefore the developers will be creating larger sized apps and games.

So as the transition to 4G happens i expect users to use more and more data, but for now i don't expect much more data to be used for the average user who switches over to 4G.

I think he's getting at some like this:

2 minutes of 3G = 4 MB
2 minutes of 4G = 40MB

With the faster speeds you are inclined to "do more"

Kinda like your cable/fios connections at your home. When you had dial up you would just turn on ESPN and wait for the news. It's just faster. BUT once you got cable/fios you just stay on the PC

Yes exactly. If you're downloading all day, you're going to use more data on 4g then 3g because 4g is faster. Meaning whereas on 3g you may be able to download 3GB in 24 hours, 4g you can do 20GB (these numbers are examples, not anything scientific, purely demonstrative).

A 4MB file doesn't become 40MB when you use 4G, but you will be downloading many more 4MB files through 4G, then you would, or could with 3G in the same amount of time.

100% Agree. I find it strange that they would open up that much more bandwidth and put it in a tier'd data plan. I think the much slower 3g network held up fine, but im sure verizon is doing it for a very good reason. With tablets, hotspots, laptops, smartphones, and various other data hungry devices becoming such a hot commodity they would really kill the network. I now believe Verizon Wireless made the right move, customer wise and business wise. They also treated current customers right by honoring there current unlimited data plans, but letting us keep the unlimited plan. Its safe to say that verizon is in transitioning stage, in 2-3 years from now we can expect a huge increase of data use as compared to now. Congrats Verizon, very smart move.

 

[Cmking76]

<----------(throws hat up into the air) hip hip hooray we're paying more for less woohoo

 

[czerdrill]

3 weeks into my billing, I've used 0.033 GB of data. Why do I care if they limit me to 2 gb, I don't even use 1?

While you may not care, and many less-power user won't either, there are also many others than use 2GB+ data a month legitimately, myself included. When I added the new expense of a smartphone, I made it worth it by using it to its fullest. I got rid of my ipod and now stream a lot of music. I sync a lot of stuff to the cloud. I watch videos when I travel. The bottom line is that they are providing less for the same price. Obviously without unlimited, its always going to be less, but the $30 price point could have been something a little more than 2GB. And for users like you, they could offer a smaller package for less than $30. But of course they would never do that because that means ton of people paying the required $30/mo would now start paying less, and they'd lose money.

but are there really "many" that use 2GB+ legitimately or not? the numbers would disagree with you. if 95% use less then 600MB and 99% use less then 5GB, I think it's a safe assumption that not many people use 2GB a month. It does suck for those like you that do, but again, you are the one in the minority (and a very very small minority at that)...

 

[huskur]

<----------(throws hat up into the air) hip hip hooray we're paying more for less woohoo

you are not a new customer. Therefore nothing has changed for you

Play your cards right and nothing will change in the future either. If you can't figure that part out then yes your original statement is true

 

[loki993]

Yes exactly. If you're downloading all day, you're going to use more data on 4g then 3g because 4g is faster. Meaning whereas on 3g you may be able to download 3GB in 24 hours, 4g you can do 20GB (these numbers are examples, not anything scientific, purely demonstrative).

A 4MB file doesn't become 40MB when you use 4G, but you will be downloading many more 4MB files through 4G, then you would, or could with 3G in the same amount of time.

Right. Thats why it seems like such a big slight. Its like theyre saying "hey heres this great super fast network for you to use, you can download stuff 10 times faster then on 3g, oh yeah but wait were going to charge you more to use it and you wont be able to download as much as you did on the old network." It almost makes it all moot doesnt it?

 

[loki993]

Theyre counting on us to use more data, which is very likly and theyre going to change us more to do it...a lot more. Thats what it comes down to.

 

[Cmking76]

<----------(throws hat up into the air) hip hip hooray we're paying more for less woohoo

you are not a new customer. Therefore nothing has changed for you

Play your cards right and nothing will change in the future either. If you can't figure that part out then yes your original statement is true

you really going through all this and your goingto get to keep your unlimited. man you are gullible. they will find a way to weasel it out of you

 

[npro1464]

I don't get the big deal. If you don't want to risk being tiered, upgrade now. That's what I did.

The Thunderbolt and Charge work just fine without dual core.

 

[Snow02]

I don't get the big deal. If you don't want to risk being tiered, upgrade now. That's what I did.

The Thunderbolt and Charge work just fine without dual core.

Good for you. Not everyone wants to shell out several hundred dollars for a phone they may not want, especially if they don't need to.

 

[czerdrill]

Yes exactly. If you're downloading all day, you're going to use more data on 4g then 3g because 4g is faster. Meaning whereas on 3g you may be able to download 3GB in 24 hours, 4g you can do 20GB (these numbers are examples, not anything scientific, purely demonstrative).

A 4MB file doesn't become 40MB when you use 4G, but you will be downloading many more 4MB files through 4G, then you would, or could with 3G in the same amount of time.

Right. Thats why it seems like such a big slight. Its like theyre saying "hey heres this great super fast network for you to use, you can download stuff 10 times faster then on 3g, oh yeah but wait were going to charge you more to use it and you wont be able to download as much as you did on the old network." It almost makes it all moot doesnt it?

well yes...and no haha. it does suck that they give us this super fast super new network and then limit our usage through tiers, however, and it goes back to the original point, if they just let everyone use it in an "unlimited" capacity, the network would suffer because higher bandwidth would mean higher data transfer. at that point people would be complaining that "we're paying $30/month and the speeds are the same as 3G! They should charge less for this crap!" (and don't deny that that wouldn't happen...because it would. People don't need a reason to whine).

By doing the tiers, they accomplish several things. (1) They save money. If all they could do is this, they'd do it, because money is the goal. (2) They get more money. Again, if all they could do was this they'd do it. (3) They protect their network. Smartphone use is growing exponentially. As much as people want to compare mobile to cable the truth is the infrastructure simply cannot handle it. (4) The people who use a crapload of data pay more then those that use less. I don't know about you, but I don't think it's fair that people can come in here talking about replacing their ISP and using 50GB a month and still only paying $30 when I use 200MB and pay the same amount. Those people should pay more.

The only thing that I think that sucks is that the low tier is still $30 bucks (if the rumors are true). So I'm not saving any money, but I'm not going to pay more, and I'm not getting slighted by having a limited amount of data available for use (I'm overpaying no matter what tier they introduce).