[Updated] Verizon To Officially Reveal Tiered Data Plans July 7th; Plans Leaked Below

[JerseyFirefighter]

To put it simply, you will use more data in the NEAR future because:

The speed in which the service is rendered allows for more content to be searched out in the same time.

The complexity of the things you are searching increases given the ability to download larger volumes of content in a manageable time frame.

The new type of content that will be created because of this availability of bandwidth will open up different items to view.

Hardware innovation will increase the size of current items being dl'd to increase in size.


Being short sighted is what the tech industry is known for... Gimme Fast Gimme Now...At the rate mobile tech is blistering through on an annual basis, we will find ourselves just like we have when we've transitioned through the paces of going from mb to gb... gb to tb...just as we'll go from tb to exb in no time... was it 10 yrs ago that a gb of storage was insane?

 

[kodiak799]

Most forms of data are not going to substantially increase in size. I could even give you an example of Excel 2010 being much more compact in file sizes, multiples more "compressed" than the same file in previous versions of Excel.

It's mostly about increase video content and how much people will watch. Personally, I still prefer to read the news than watch it on a video. Video conferencing has been around for a while, too, but there's a reason voice calls are still much more popular and, going further, a reason why email has displaced a lot of telephone calls.

I'll watch video on a tablet or pc, but it's just not going to happen on a phone in any meaningful amount. Sure, some people will. And those people should, and will, pay more for their increased demand of bandwidth. To some extent you have this with ISP's - slower speeds, at cheaper cost, are fine for people who don't consume nearly as much data/video content. But if you want to watch a hi-def Netflix movie, you'll have to pay for a high-speed connection.

 

[joeshell20]

OK I guess I assuming for example I download a file thats lets just say 500mb its still a 500mb file no matter what speed I got it at . Like I said i used to use 2gb a month on my D1 and do all the same things i used to do on my TB and still only use 2gb . Wouldn't that be a comparison ?

Your exactly correct!

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[jseah]

3 weeks into my billing, I've used 0.033 GB of data. Why do I care if they limit me to 2 gb, I don't even use 1?

And how much of your data usage is WiFi versus the cellular network? I pretty much check weather, email, download the occasional free app of the day from the Amazon Appstore, and check the news and I average between 750 MB to 1 GB per month. Although I don't "take advantage" of unlimited data, I like not having to worry about making sure I am using WiFi.

Good point, I don't have any idea of course. But 0.033 is nothing. Double that and you probably have what I really use.

My opinion I'm entitled to, just like the person I quoted is entitled to his. I feel for the people who stream music, I understand that for them this is not good news. But as I have said (in previous posts) this isn't being done to punish anyone. It's being done because of 4G and they need to manage the amount of data that's being used. With more people buying smart phones, using 4G, they will have to provide more data then ever before. If the system gets overloaded, nobody gets data period. They have to contain it somehow.

I hear ya. What I forgot to say is that I never use WiFi, I always leave WiFi off and rely solely on the cellular network. I also never stream video or music, and have only gone onto Youtube maybe 3 or 4 times.

 

[anewday]

To put it simply, you will use more data in the NEAR future because:

The speed in which the service is rendered allows for more content to be searched out in the same time.

The complexity of the things you are searching increases given the ability to download larger volumes of content in a manageable time frame.

The new type of content that will be created because of this availability of bandwidth will open up different items to view.

Hardware innovation will increase the size of current items being dl'd to increase in size.


Being short sighted is what the tech industry is known for... Gimme Fast Gimme Now...At the rate mobile tech is blistering through on an annual basis, we will find ourselves just like we have when we've transitioned through the paces of going from mb to gb... gb to tb...just as we'll go from tb to exb in no time... was it 10 yrs ago that a gb of storage was insane?

Amen. Also, more will start using the Cloud for music and other media. They will eat up bandwidth quickly.

 

[Byakushiki]

To put it simply, you will use more data in the NEAR future because:

The speed in which the service is rendered allows for more content to be searched out in the same time.

The complexity of the things you are searching increases given the ability to download larger volumes of content in a manageable time frame.

The new type of content that will be created because of this availability of bandwidth will open up different items to view.

Hardware innovation will increase the size of current items being dl'd to increase in size.


Being short sighted is what the tech industry is known for... Gimme Fast Gimme Now...At the rate mobile tech is blistering through on an annual basis, we will find ourselves just like we have when we've transitioned through the paces of going from mb to gb... gb to tb...just as we'll go from tb to exb in no time... was it 10 yrs ago that a gb of storage was insane?

Amen. Also, more will start using the Cloud for music and other media. They will eat up bandwidth quickly.

Agreed. GMusic eats up bandwidth like no tomorrow sometimes, it's run through a whole gigabyte within a few hours before. That'd be a nightmare on a tiered plan. Mobile industry needs a bigger boat to float all this data consumption at this rate. And I'm only on 3G...:icon_eek:

 

[DanSan]

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[bplewis24]

3 weeks into my billing, I've used 0.033 GB of data. Why do I care if they limit me to 2 gb, I don't even use 1?

And how much of your data usage is WiFi versus the cellular network? I pretty much check weather, email, download the occasional free app of the day from the Amazon Appstore, and check the news and I average between 750 MB to 1 GB per month. Although I don't "take advantage" of unlimited data, I like not having to worry about making sure I am using WiFi.

I don't see how that is possible. I stream music from the internet over 3G for probably 12 hours per week, and rarely reach 1GB. If I only did email and web browsing, it would be more like 200MB.

Brandon

 

[UNC]

To anyone who is royally peeved about this leaked announcement, don't voice your anger at Verizon.

Voice your anger towards the thousands of rooters who illegally tethered hundreds of thousands of GBs a month by running their home network through the Verizon data plan. Verizon didn't have to do this, but the incessant selfishness of the idiotic few completely forced their hands, and now we ALL have to pay for it.

So to you, the idiot abuser who streamed 200GB per month in data while using their phone as a router, PS3/XBox server, while downloading and uploading countless amounts of Torrents, I want to personally thank you for gouging our pockets in the future. You are awesome! Hope the Torrents of SpongeBob and the blazing speeds while playing Halo or Modern Warfare were totally worth it.

My sentiments exactly.

I've given thanks repeatedly to the selfish donkeys.

 

[PetRiLJoe]

I say we all start riots at our local Verizon retail stores.

GRRR!!!!!!!

 

[PetRiLJoe]

To anyone who is royally peeved about this leaked announcement, don't voice your anger at Verizon.

Voice your anger towards the thousands of rooters who illegally tethered hundreds of thousands of GBs a month by running their home network through the Verizon data plan. Verizon didn't have to do this, but the incessant selfishness of the idiotic few completely forced their hands, and now we ALL have to pay for it.

So to you, the idiot abuser who streamed 200GB per month in data while using their phone as a router, PS3/XBox server, while downloading and uploading countless amounts of Torrents, I want to personally thank you for gouging our pockets in the future. You are awesome! Hope the Torrents of SpongeBob and the blazing speeds while playing Halo or Modern Warfare were totally worth it.

To the above poster and every one who appears to agree with the quoter above:

Verizon has the ability to prevent this. Whether they enforce it upon you is their decision. I attempted to download 2 gigs in one day through my computer using my Moto Droid as a wireless hot spot (which seems to be advertised as a thing I'd want to do on all the newer Android phones, not advertised as illegal or bad). Verizon quickly shut me down by crippling my connection to 5~10KB/s for the next several hours. Now everytime I exceed XXX SMALL amount of data over XXX SHORT period of time, my 3G connection speed gets crippled to an almost useless speed.

I blame Verizon, NOT anyone else.

 

[UNC]

To anyone who is royally peeved about this leaked announcement, don't voice your anger at Verizon.

Voice your anger towards the thousands of rooters who illegally tethered hundreds of thousands of GBs a month by running their home network through the Verizon data plan. Verizon didn't have to do this, but the incessant selfishness of the idiotic few completely forced their hands, and now we ALL have to pay for it.

So to you, the idiot abuser who streamed 200GB per month in data while using their phone as a router, PS3/XBox server, while downloading and uploading countless amounts of Torrents, I want to personally thank you for gouging our pockets in the future. You are awesome! Hope the Torrents of SpongeBob and the blazing speeds while playing Halo or Modern Warfare were totally worth it.

To the above poster and every one who appears to agree with the quoter above:

Verizon has the ability to prevent this. Whether they enforce it upon you is their decision. I attempted to download 2 gigs in one day through my computer using my Moto Droid as a wireless hot spot (which seems to be advertised as a thing I'd want to do on all the newer Android phones, not advertised as illegal or bad). Verizon quickly shut me down by crippling my connection to 5~10KB/s for the next several hours. Now everytime I exceed XXX SMALL amount of data over XXX SHORT period of time, my 3G connection speed gets crippled to an almost useless speed.

I blame Verizon, NOT anyone else.

You're right.... if a bank gets robbed over and over and over again, then has to raise rates to hire better security, the bank is at fault for the price hike, not the thieves. Makes sense....

Sure they COULD stop this from happening, but then everyone who uses their "unlimited" data correctly (like on the phone) would get throttle for using Google Music.... Either way you try to spell it out, the legit users get the shaft.

 

[eagle1967]

ok

Did not one person read my post? It does use more data when you go faster. Your download speed goes up, that's more data. You upload speed goes up, that's more data. Just like my cable company, I use Road Runner Turbo for faster speeds.

I mean all you have to do is test your speed and you will see the increase in data.

2nd. -- 500 mb is 500mb
3g 100mb @ 1.3MB down = takes longer
4g 100mb @15MB down =takes shorter

but data wise they both recieve 100mb.

the file is 100mb doesnt matter how fast or slow you get it its still 100mb.

if you stream 100 songs you will use the same data weather on 3g or 4g you just wont have to wait to buffer and the song will be fully downloaded in 3 seconds as opposed to 1 minute but a 3mb song is 3mb it doesnt get bigger because you download it faster. and that makes it hard to understand why 4g battery life is so poor since you are actaully using the radio for shorter periods of time.

 

[kptphalkon]

I imagine you are another person who is stating their opinion without reading any of the previous pages of this thread. So I'll excuse your misguided though deserved opinion.

3 weeks into my billing, I've used 0.033 GB of data. Why do I care if they limit me to 2 gb, I don't even use 1?

Hook, you are an anomaly in the smartphone world and I bet that on average you fall into the lower 3% region of data users. No offense, but I feel that your opinion is regardless in this matter.


I feel that this is purely a business move by Verizon. I do not believe their real motive is to just save everybody money until the end of time. If it were, then why is the average single smartphone user's bill 100 bucks a month? The average user eats ~530 MB a month, with the increase of that average at almost 25% a year (not counting that every year quality of images/music/videos and the capability of phones goes higher and higher. /edit/ Gasp, just imagine what your data use would be like once these phones can properly handle flash). It will take a groaningly slow decade or more before the 'average' peaks their typical 2 GB plan following that simple math. But wait, lets give thought to the netflix app having been released. The fact that as smartphones advance in tech generation more and more people can afford them (and also the slow death of the age old feature phone). That as networks get built up and advanced, shuttling data around becomes less costly for the provider. Also cloud based services, no doubt akin to amazon's music storage and google's budding service as well. I dont think over then next 2 or 3 years data use will simply increase by 25% on average. But on to the next part of my story...


The advent of LTE provides greater speed, but not necessarily a matching increase in capacity for all users. Judging from VZWs latest introduction of top-of-the-line hardware this year they want consumers to jump on the 4G bandwagon and cozy in with everyone else like its nobodies business. I will honestly say that I doubt having such a huge increase in connection speed will equally increase data use for a typical user. But couple the fact of the ease of such a large portable internet pipeline, plus the growth of smartphones, predicted or actually observed, plus the general growth of media and the steady increase of people using this technology and I can put my money where my mouth is when I say that that 2 GB limit looks a might bit small.

As for a business revenue model, these plan changes are excellent in the short and long term. Nothing changes much for 95 percent of the customer, most will either pick too small a data plan and go over or pick the 2 GB/30 bucks and nothing is lost by verizon (notice how nothing is gained for the consumer? I dont know about you but not EVERYONE is on a family plan here). Consumer wise, this doesnt bode well in the near-long term. As I said in another thread (in which I am fairly certain my post got deleted, oddly), If I cant upgrade to a 4G phone without keeping my unl for 30 bucks, I will stick with 3G however long I can or just move to another carrier.

Thats just my rambling 2 cents....

 

[eagle1967]

To anyone who is royally peeved about this leaked announcement, don't voice your anger at Verizon.

Voice your anger towards the thousands of rooters who illegally tethered hundreds of thousands of GBs a month by running their home network through the Verizon data plan. Verizon didn't have to do this, but the incessant selfishness of the idiotic few completely forced their hands, and now we ALL have to pay for it.

So to you, the idiot abuser who streamed 200GB per month in data while using their phone as a router, PS3/XBox server, while downloading and uploading countless amounts of Torrents, I want to personally thank you for gouging our pockets in the future. You are awesome! Hope the Torrents of SpongeBob and the blazing speeds while playing Halo or Modern Warfare were totally worth it.

My sentiments exactly.

I've given thanks repeatedly to the selfish donkeys.

tethering had nothing to do with this. if it did they would stop tethering. if tethering caused their network to crash they wouldnt allow it. making another 20 bucks isnt going to change the bandwidth usage. this has nothing to do with tetherers its about money.
why offer these insane mobile sppeds if you are gonna make it so people cant use them. websites load fine on 3g. netflix works fine on 3g.
but with netflix it adjust res to speed. so 30 minutes of a show on 3g uses less data than on 4g because the resolutiuon wil be higher on the 4g network.
so next they will outlaw all streaming video. than youll say you can thank those that watched 5 movies a week instead of one those greedy bastards.

well i have to go im looking at this corvette its cool it goes 150 miles an hour. but dammit on june 20th they limited it to be able to only go 50 miles aday. last week i could of got the unlimited milage model. im always late.