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VZW disabling tethering apps from market

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Why do you obsess over companies being anti-consumer, and price gouging their customers?

Because, and I know this is alien to you, I don't sign up and use the service of companies whose policies I disagree with.

Bizarre behavior. "I hate this company, they price gouge and are completely anti-customer AND I just signed a new two year contract!!!"...makes...sense...I guess...
 
I actually hope that Verizon goes to tiered only pricing, and allow users to go with an IP only solution. I pay $50 for minutes I don't even use. Why can't I pay Verizon $10 per GB and let me do whatever I want?

A $20/2gig plan would be very interesting and make a lot of customers happy, but that would also cost VZW a lot of money, more than likely (with the average customer using only about 500megs).

Personally, I'd prefer 5gigs for $30 (even though it is probably much more than I'd use) and no tether. They are going to protect their mobile broadband plans. Perhaps they will keep things largely as-is and roll-out a 250meg or 500meg tether add-on for $5 (sort of like the $5 texting plan they have for 250 texts).
 
After 2 years of the same activity, I have not heard a peep from them. I couldn't care less about what their AUP says.

Let me try this again....my point is that unlimited bandwidth doesn't exist. Not that Charter will send the police to your house when you go over your cap...

My point, again, is that there is no such thing as unlimited bandwidth.
 
Why do you obsess over companies being anti-consumer, and price gouging their customers?

Because, and I know this is alien to you, I don't sign up and use the service of companies whose policies I disagree with.

Bizarre behavior. "I hate this company, they price gouge and are completely anti-customer AND I just signed a new two year contract!!!"...makes...sense...I guess...

Well I sign up for service and use their service the way that works for me.
 
After 2 years of the same activity, I have not heard a peep from them. I couldn't care less about what their AUP says.

Let me try this again....my point is that unlimited bandwidth doesn't exist. Not that Charter will send the police to your house when you go over your cap...

My point, again, is that there is no such thing as unlimited bandwidth.

It's unlimited in that I have never reached any hard limit on what I can consume. I don't care what their agreement says.
 
Why do you obsess over companies being anti-consumer, and price gouging their customers?

Because, and I know this is alien to you, I don't sign up and use the service of companies whose policies I disagree with.

Bizarre behavior. "I hate this company, they price gouge and are completely anti-customer AND I just signed a new two year contract!!!"...makes...sense...I guess...

Well I sign up for service and use their service the way that works for me.

...and then whine about it when they try to stop you. LOL. You'll do the same thing at Sprint too...
 
Because, and I know this is alien to you, I don't sign up and use the service of companies whose policies I disagree with.

Bizarre behavior. "I hate this company, they price gouge and are completely anti-customer AND I just signed a new two year contract!!!"...makes...sense...I guess...

Well I sign up for service and use their service the way that works for me.

...and then whine about it when they try to stop you. LOL. You'll do the same thing at Sprint too...

I complain. Then I find a way around any limitation to suit my needs.
 
After 2 years of the same activity, I have not heard a peep from them. I couldn't care less about what their AUP says.

Let me try this again....my point is that unlimited bandwidth doesn't exist. Not that Charter will send the police to your house when you go over your cap...

My point, again, is that there is no such thing as unlimited bandwidth.

It's unlimited in that I have never reached any hard limit on what I can consume. I don't care what their agreement says.

Oh so there is a way to redefine unlimited? I thought you guys were arguing about "unlimited is unlimited!!!!!!" when it comes to Verizon?
 
for all those who took the spectrum guidelines and ran away with it...exactly what kodiak, freezyfreaky and I stated....keep reaching...

Google starts blocking access to Android tethering apps

This merely states that google sided with them, that doesn't mean that google was in the right here. Just because a company does something doesn't make it right or lawful. Google is known for pushing the limits with certain things (i.e. the wifi capturing). Plus this article only states what is already known, that they were removing the apps from the marketplace, that doesn't say you can't side-load them or root and get them that way also. Merely saying they won't be in the marketplace. There is amazon's marketplace also which already has easytether in it, do you think pdanet won't follow, or any other tether program that is removed from google's marketplace?

Unfortunately verizon has no legs to stand on in this, they knew exactly what they were getting into when they signed the contract for the 4g spectrum. This is the express reason why they would go to tiered pricing. While this type of contract most likely does not exist for their 3g network, because if it did everyone would know about it, it does exist for their 4g. Which is why they are moving from unlimited to tiered. This is their only recourse to the contract they signed. It's not because verizon's network would be hurt, it's because their pocketbooks would be. They make millions off selling their tethering plan and don't want to give it up. That is their right as a company to do so, while i may not agree with them, it is nonetheless their right.

What it actually states is:

"This compliance by Google has come as a big surprise for some because it skirts the edge of licensing conditions for keeping applications and handsets open on the C Block spectrum Verizon uses for its LTE network. In fact, Google is remembered for pushing the price of the C Block spectrum sale up past $4.6 billion in order to ensure those licensing conditions would be in place. The conditions state devices and apps can’t be blocked from using the C Block through a service. However, the app blockage is allowed as Verizon isn’t blocking access to any devices, just ensuring any such devices pay for an appropriate data plan. Google on the other hand is complying with a carrier request, not directly breaking the licensing conditions."


So as mentioned by others and myself, the spectrum guideline doesn't apply because Verizon/Google are not doing anything to block access to devices, but rather wanting to get paid for their services (crazy concept, right?)


Sure, someone can take it to court...but those people are the ones with no leg to stand on. I think people see something and start running away with it, till its disproved, then they scramble to find the next justification. I've said it before and I'll say it again.



Verizon/Google are not mom and pop organizations. While that doesn't mean they're infallible, trust me their legal teams look at everything before a new policy is instituted. It's not some dude in a conference room clicking OK without consulting anyone. I highly doubt Verizon/Google are worried about the spectrum guidelines, and they are within the guidelines.

"In addition, C Block licensees cannot exclude applications or devices solely on the basis that such applications or devices would unreasonably increase bandwidth demands. We anticipate that demand can be adequately managed through feasible facility improvements or technology-neutral capacity pricing that does not discriminate against subscribers using third-party devices or applications."

Unfortunately THAT is what they are doing. Google is in their right to remove an application but the fact is that you can get that application from many other sources, and google knows that. They are just trying to keep verizon happy, which is what they are doing, knowing full well that because amazon app store and the internet exists, people will still use that program. Unfortunately that program falls in the category of an application that would unreasonably increase bandwidth, and that is the argument that verizon has stated many times as the reason why they charge for tethering. It's not because of any other reason. The fact that if someone tethers their phone to their computer and uses no data, then it doesn't hurt their network, and they don't care about that. A third-party device unfortunately falls into the "computer" range. No matter how you want to look at it. You can look at it 50 ways till sunday and come up with 100000 different reasons why the contract doesn't apply to verizon and google.

The fact is that we don't see eye to eye, and of course i know you will come back with another witty reply to mine showing how i'm wrong in 100% of what i say.
 
This merely states that google sided with them, that doesn't mean that google was in the right here. Just because a company does something doesn't make it right or lawful. Google is known for pushing the limits with certain things (i.e. the wifi capturing). Plus this article only states what is already known, that they were removing the apps from the marketplace, that doesn't say you can't side-load them or root and get them that way also. Merely saying they won't be in the marketplace. There is amazon's marketplace also which already has easytether in it, do you think pdanet won't follow, or any other tether program that is removed from google's marketplace?

Unfortunately verizon has no legs to stand on in this, they knew exactly what they were getting into when they signed the contract for the 4g spectrum. This is the express reason why they would go to tiered pricing. While this type of contract most likely does not exist for their 3g network, because if it did everyone would know about it, it does exist for their 4g. Which is why they are moving from unlimited to tiered. This is their only recourse to the contract they signed. It's not because verizon's network would be hurt, it's because their pocketbooks would be. They make millions off selling their tethering plan and don't want to give it up. That is their right as a company to do so, while i may not agree with them, it is nonetheless their right.

What it actually states is:

"This compliance by Google has come as a big surprise for some because it skirts the edge of licensing conditions for keeping applications and handsets open on the C Block spectrum Verizon uses for its LTE network. In fact, Google is remembered for pushing the price of the C Block spectrum sale up past $4.6 billion in order to ensure those licensing conditions would be in place. The conditions state devices and apps can’t be blocked from using the C Block through a service. However, the app blockage is allowed as Verizon isn’t blocking access to any devices, just ensuring any such devices pay for an appropriate data plan. Google on the other hand is complying with a carrier request, not directly breaking the licensing conditions."


So as mentioned by others and myself, the spectrum guideline doesn't apply because Verizon/Google are not doing anything to block access to devices, but rather wanting to get paid for their services (crazy concept, right?)


Sure, someone can take it to court...but those people are the ones with no leg to stand on. I think people see something and start running away with it, till its disproved, then they scramble to find the next justification. I've said it before and I'll say it again.



Verizon/Google are not mom and pop organizations. While that doesn't mean they're infallible, trust me their legal teams look at everything before a new policy is instituted. It's not some dude in a conference room clicking OK without consulting anyone. I highly doubt Verizon/Google are worried about the spectrum guidelines, and they are within the guidelines.

"In addition, C Block licensees cannot exclude applications or devices solely on the basis that such applications or devices would unreasonably increase bandwidth demands. We anticipate that demand can be adequately managed through feasible facility improvements or technology-neutral capacity pricing that does not discriminate against subscribers using third-party devices or applications."

Unfortunately THAT is what they are doing. Google is in their right to remove an application but the fact is that you can get that application from many other sources, and google knows that. They are just trying to keep verizon happy, which is what they are doing, knowing full well that because amazon app store and the internet exists, people will still use that program. Unfortunately that program falls in the category of an application that would unreasonably increase bandwidth, and that is the argument that verizon has stated many times as the reason why they charge for tethering. It's not because of any other reason. The fact that if someone tethers their phone to their computer and uses no data, then it doesn't hurt their network, and they don't care about that. A third-party device unfortunately falls into the "computer" range. No matter how you want to look at it. You can look at it 50 ways till sunday and come up with 100000 different reasons why the contract doesn't apply to verizon and google.

The fact is that we don't see eye to eye, and of course i know you will come back with another witty reply to mine showing how i'm wrong in 100% of what i say.

I guess I'm just looking at a different way from you. It hasn't been taken to court yet, so this is all speculation and neither one of us is right...yet. I just find it hard to believe that Google/Verizon just haphazardly violated their spectrum license without going through the guidelines with a fine toothed comb. Of course, there are some who think major corporations do do that...

Again, they might be wrong, but I doubt it...
 
So as mentioned by others and myself, the spectrum guideline doesn't apply because Verizon/Google are not doing anything to block access to devices, but rather wanting to get paid for their services (crazy concept, right?)

Yeah, my reading of that is mostly to prevent carriers from blocking OEM's, and perhaps more specifically, an app like Netflix which could spike usage.

The best corollary I could come up with is the little spat between Google Voice and IOS. Google whined to the FCC and Apple backed off, although I think the issue was more about anti-trust than the spectrum guideline.

Now, if I read that spectrum guideline, looks like the other main area it would apply is VZW preventing me from activating my Sprint Android phone on their network. Not an issue right now as the tech is different.

But blocking apps that enable the circumvention of agreed to service, services they charge separately for? Not a chance. It's dead in the water because with tethering there is no way for VZW to know if you own your computer or your friend is stealing bandwidth on theirs. And certainly the spectrum guidlelines are not intended to force VZW to sell their service to 1 user so 10 can leech off it.
 
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