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Who is waiting for the OTA ICS??
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The leaks don't take the place of anything. They're just leaks. The cheesecake servers are monitored by a lot of people and when moto posts a build to those for their internal testers, they're found pretty quickly and posted all over the place. A soak test means that certain phones get the OTA update pushed through the verizon update servers. A soak test means there are moto users that sign an NDA and a subset of public users that randomly get it pushed to them, as well. That hasn't happened yet and will not be pushed out to the wider public until it does. I'm guessing another week before the soak, and a week or two after that before it starts being pushed out to the public.
Your point on their need to soak is well taken, but Moto certainly realizes that people are getting the leaked releases, and if they didn't want that to happen then they would find another way to distribute. They must realize that leaks build hype and get additional testing done.
Oh I'm sure. There's no doubt in my mind that they monitor the forums where the leaks have been discussed (like this one) and see what major issues people are having. I suspect that a few of the bugs people were having were fixed in new leaks as a result of that monitoring. Plus the leaks keep the true power users from complaining about "where the ICS build is". So it benefits everyone. Power users know they won't get support for a leak, but, they get to play with it early and Moto gets to see how well it works. Win win. Now we just need the OTA and a new FXZ leak to go with it.
marleyinoc
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I gotta agree that Moto could avoid leaks and probably doesn't because it does give them feedback from the wild and because someone with some say has a heart for the community 
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Bionic. ICS leak 6.7.232 Rooted/"stock"
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Bionic. ICS leak 6.7.232 Rooted/"stock"
No, because the MAIN purpose of the soak test is to ensure the OTA has no problem being downloaded over the air and installed. It does Moto no good to have people manually copying the update to their sd card and installing it. Soak testing is 90% about infrastructure testing, and maybe 10% about bug reporting.
I gotta agree that Moto could avoid leaks and probably doesn't because it does give them feedback from the wild and because someone with some say has a heart for the community
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Bionic. ICS leak 6.7.232 Rooted/"stock"
Moto cannot prevent leaks, because even if they totally changed the authentication method for their dev servers, an enterprising developer would simply rewrite the cheesecake app to work with the new method.
Moto doesn't really want us running their pre-approval OTAs, and as a matter of fact they don't even allow discussion on their forums. If they were truly allowing leaks on purpose to get free testing, they would encourage discussion.
And in Moto's eyes, none of us are even qualified to beta test their software. To be honest, we're not, they have a very specific checklist they go through. Our testing is completely random, and useless because many of us (i'd venture to say MOST of us) run 3rd party apps. Which totally invalidates a true beta test, since 3rd part apps can have far reaching effects on the OS stability, and it's not Moto's responsibility to track down incompatibilities with apps that aren't on the phone stock.
EDIT: If Moto really wanted to provide a consumer beta, they simply would allow everyone access to the OS, much like Microsoft is doing with Windows 8 for the PC.
Wow. If Moto truly wanted no one to get these leaks....then no one would. They damn sure allow these leaks and monitor these forums.
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I believe Moto would allow us to test it if they could....but verizon on the other hand....
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No. They don't. It's not a big enough concern for them to lock them down tighter than Ft. Knox and would make life harder for people with legitimate access. And they also do not monitor these forums, trust me on that. They barely monitor their own forums. But I can tell it to you people until I am blue in the face and no one will listen. But I will say it again.
WE ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO BETA TEST FOR MOTOROLA OR VERIZON.
End of story.
Why the hell do you think that some dev had to write a special app to even find the leaks? It sure as hell didn't come out of Motorola's development labs.
They might allow us to test it for our own enjoyment, but our input would have VERY little weight compared to their in-house engineers, and Verizon's in-house testers. Similar to how Windows 8 is not a beta in the true sense of the word. It is a "Consumer Preview". I could easily see a company like Moto allowing a consumer preview program, except no carrier in their right mind would allow it.
That's a pretty shortsighted attitude and view point. I'm a professional software engineer who does it for a living. I can tell you that real world testing with those "dirty" environments IS valuable. Having people in the real world testing the software in all kinds of environments provides them more data than just their standard QA....which will happen regardless. They may not LIKE the fact that people are using leaks, but, don't sit there and say that they get no useful data from it....that's simply untrue.
Until you provide proof that you work for Motorola and know firsthand...i don't believe it.
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Like I said...If they didn't want anyone to have a means to obtain these leaks, then they would take care of it.
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Okay, I am going to duck out of here before I say something that will get me banned............. But go over to Moto's forums and start talking about issues in a leaked OS, and see how long you last on their forums.
It is VERY clear to me that they are extremely anti-public beta test.
It is VERY clear to me that they are extremely anti-public beta test.