YEAH baby! My Demo will be here today!

[Blackcharger06]

JB, are you a little more curious now about the 4G deal after this delay stuff? I'd be pretty tempted to jump in the car and head for 4G territory to see what happens with the phone! :icon_eek:

Reports are coming in that with normal use and the 4G turned on, testers are seeing the battery drain by 1 PM after having been turned on at 8 AM. 5 hours!

HTC is pumping out updates to test units pretty much daily. Still no go...

People can choose to believe it's the network, or unfinished tiered pricing plans or iPads and iPhones. This launch was ground to a halt over a serious problem.

Considering I have to give the phone back sooner than I would have thought, I am more inclined to go to my closest LTE area and see for myself what the phone does/does not do on the network.

Now what's what I am talking about

 

[WorldOfJohnboy]

I think what may be the problem Johny is that the TB is actually too underpowered to be on the LTE network. The EVO which is it's very close cousin (which I think you would agree) already suffers from poor battery life. So if we throw the EVO on the LTE network well you can see where that would lead..

I believe the problem lies in the fact that the TB needs some serious processing power and beefy battery to power that big high rez screen AND allow it to be on the network.

You analogy is backwards in my honest opinion. The big bore Hemi is the LTE network and the TB doesn't have the transmission and drive train to handle all that horsepower.

They need to beef up the tranny and drive train. But it's too late for that. They need to figure out how to get that Hemi running on such limited hardware. Thats where I believe they are at right now.

Uh, ok... part of your statement doesn't make sense, and the other part agrees with my analogy. The Thunderbolt's faster processor, huge screen (Super LCD), and LTE radio means it already has the big engine in it. The v8 engine consumes fuel at a faster rate, which I equate to using up the battery power faster.

The only way you are going to get a v8 to last the same distance (or in the phones case, to get the battery to last the same amount of time) is to increase the capacity of the battery. They can tweak the LTE network, firmware/OS of the phone all they want, but it's still a v8 engine and they will only decrease the fuel consumption by a small percentage if at all.

Put it this way: I don't buy a Dodge Charger thinking it's a great commuter car that will save me from having to buy gas all the time, I buy it because it has power, speed and accelleration. Likewise, I don't get a phone with a 4+ inch screen, ultra-fast processor, and a 4G network connection expecting that the "standard" battery will last 8+ hours, I get it because it works smoother, runs programs faster, and utilizes data at blazing speeds. If I have to swap a battery out or get an extended battery, I am OK with that, in fact, I expect to do so.

 

[cereal killer]

Uh, ok... part of your statement doesn't make sense, and the other part agrees with my analogy. The Thunderbolt's faster processor, huge screen (Super LCD), and LTE radio means it already has the big engine in it. The v8 engine consumes fuel at a faster rate, which I equate to using up the battery power faster.



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I think you missed my whole point. Instead of using analogies I will make it much simpler.

The Thunderbolt is too underpowered to be running over the LTE network. It's a 3G device trying to play on a LTE network. They are poking and prodding it through software updates.

A device with that size screen at that resolution on a LTE network has no business running a single core processor.

To add insult to injury they leave a small battery in it. It's all poorly executed.

 

[dfuser312553]

^Well what about the other single core 4g HTC phones? I would imagine their batteries being similar to the 1400 in the TB.

 

[vzwuser76]

Uh, ok... part of your statement doesn't make sense, and the other part agrees with my analogy. The Thunderbolt's faster processor, huge screen (Super LCD), and LTE radio means it already has the big engine in it. The v8 engine consumes fuel at a faster rate, which I equate to using up the battery power faster.



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I think you missed my whole point. Instead of using analogies I will make it much simpler.

The Thunderbolt is too underpowered to be running over the LTE network. It's a 3G device trying to play on a LTE network. They are poking and prodding it through software updates.

A device with that size screen at that resolution on a LTE network has no business running a single core processor.

To add insult to injury they leave a small battery in it. It's all poorly executed.

All but one of the 4 Verizon LTE phones are single core. The Bionic is the only dual. The TB & LG revolution both use the same 1Ghz SD cpu & the Sammy uses a 1Ghz HB. All three are single core & all 3 have the same screen size.

The Evo runs good on 4G wimax, has the same screen size, and has only a 100mAh battery advantage over the TBolt. And it is running the older 65nm SD (Evo, Incredible) whereas the Tbolt & LG run the newer 45nm SD (MT4g) that is both more powerful and more efficient.

Going by what you're saying only the Bionic will run ok on LTE. BMX has been testing all 4 Verizon LTE deivces & hasn't said anything bad about how they run on LTE (except that LTE sucks down battery, but he said that will be the case with ANY device, including the Bionic). Plus the Revoution is the phone VZW used to demonstrate voice over LTE at the Mobile World Congress. I think they'll be ok.

 

[bluefire7002]

Uh, ok... part of your statement doesn't make sense, and the other part agrees with my analogy. The Thunderbolt's faster processor, huge screen (Super LCD), and LTE radio means it already has the big engine in it. The v8 engine consumes fuel at a faster rate, which I equate to using up the battery power faster.



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I think you missed my whole point. Instead of using analogies I will make it much simpler.

The Thunderbolt is too underpowered to be running over the LTE network. It's a 3G device trying to play on a LTE network. They are poking and prodding it through software updates.

A device with that size screen at that resolution on a LTE network has no business running a single core processor.

To add insult to injury they leave a small battery in it. It's all poorly executed.

I recently saw a video of Wirefly comparing the TB to the EVO. I gotta say.. yea they may look similar but the TB is WAY better, faster w/e

it has the newer generation processor (that other LTE phones will have) more RAM than the evo, better screen.
I believe in the quadrant score. the evo was at 1200-1300 I think? (too lazy to go check haha)
but the Tbolt score a 1987. I dont see how this thing is underpowered?
Cant wait for it to be rooted and OCd

 

[WorldOfJohnboy]

I think you missed my whole point. Instead of using analogies I will make it much simpler.

The Thunderbolt is too underpowered to be running over the LTE network. It's a 3G device trying to play on a LTE network. They are poking and prodding it through software updates.

A device with that size screen at that resolution on a LTE network has no business running a single core processor.

To add insult to injury they leave a small battery in it. It's all poorly executed.

I wouldn't say that I missed you point, just that I respectufully disagree with it.

So it is your contention that a single-core processor, etc. can't handle 4G LTE... well, to me, that is like me saying that my single-core computer running Linux can't handle a Gigabit Ethernet connection and I should just stick with my 100 MB connection.

It is my point of view that the good software (HTC Sense) doesn't need to run on a dual-core system as it is well designed. Those that are caught up on the dual-core Bionic are going to be stuck with the realization that you have a v8 Hemi engine in your Dodge Neon, meanwhile those with the TBolt will be passing you on the racetrack with their Audi A7.

 

[Joeteck]

JB, are you a little more curious now about the 4G deal after this delay stuff? I'd be pretty tempted to jump in the car and head for 4G territory to see what happens with the phone! :icon_eek:

Reports are coming in that with normal use and the 4G turned on, testers are seeing the battery drain by 1 PM after having been turned on at 8 AM. 5 hours!

HTC is pumping out updates to test units pretty much daily. Still no go...

People can choose to believe it's the network, or unfinished tiered pricing plans or iPads and iPhones. This launch was ground to a halt over a serious problem.

If that is true, 5 hours is a lot better than the 2-3 that people were reporting when all this talk of delays started. One thing we don't know is how much or little the phones are in use. I would love to have someone charge the phone, go to a 4G connection and let it sit until it dies, not using it at all. Then, do the same thing only on a 3G connection.

If my TBolt gets 8+ hours on 3G with moderate use, and I can get 5 hours on 4G with moderate use, I would consider that acceptable when compared to itself.

Think about it like this: Compare the MPG of a v8 Hemi vehicle (TBolt) to that of a v6 vehicle (Droid X)... the difference can be over 8 MPGs which works out to over 30% less MPGs in the v8. The Thunderbolt is a high powered device that requires more power especially when on 4G network.

Considering I have to give the phone back sooner than I would have thought, I am more inclined to go to my closest LTE area and see for myself what the phone does/does not do on the network.

I don't agree with that at all... Besides 5 hours of use is just the half of it, you'll need to shell out another $20 a month to use 4G... So, $50 just for 3G/4G with a 5 hour run time running 4G? No thanks, I'll pass... I'm not looking at the 4G phones for the 4G service, I'm looking at them for more bells and whistles, screw 4G. Wait for second or third generation phones to come out to make it just right. Think about it, 4G is essentially the same speed at your home or better in some cases... why do we need this on our phones? We don't. Currently I'm paying $160 a month for two phones.. Mine is the only one with a data plan.. 1400 minute plan.. 89.99 + 9.99 + 20.00 texting both phones + 29.99 + taxes = about $161. The cost is getting ridiculous...

 

[WorldOfJohnboy]

I don't agree with that at all... Besides 5 hours of use is just the half of it, you'll need to shell out another $20 a month to use 4G... So, $50 just for 3G/4G with a 5 hour run time running 4G? No thanks, I'll pass... I'm not looking at the 4G phones for the 4G service, I'm looking at them for more bells and whistles, screw 4G. Wait for second or third generation phones to come out to make it just right. Think about it, 4G is essentially the same speed at your home or better in some cases... why do we need this on our phones? We don't. Currently I'm paying $160 a month for two phones.. Mine is the only one with a data plan.. 1400 minute plan.. 89.99 + 9.99 + 20.00 texting both phones + 29.99 + taxes = about $161. The cost is getting ridiculous...

Perhaps you don't "agree" with the pricing or need of 4G LTE, but you just proved my point as well. (I don't want to beat a dead horse, so I will spare everyone on that point...)

Sounds to me like the technology is all moving to 4G and you want to stay with your 3G technology...

Unfortunately for you, the industry is going forward and you aren't going to like it. Sprint, TMobile, AT&T and VZW are all moving to 4G connectivity and are going to charge more for it. They aren't going to spend any more time in developing thier 3G networks because of this.

Phone makers are not going to pump money into developing Dual Core phones that run on 3G networks, they are of course going to make 4G capable phones. My suggestion to you is if someone makes a nice phone that isn't 4G LTE compatable, buy a few of them... in 6 months no one will make 3G Smartphones with the "next-gen" hardware specs in them.

 

[dajogejr]

Unless you stay home with your phone, the speed there shouldn't matter (on that note, if you stay home why would you need a cell phone)

If you have LTE in your area (I do...and it's smoking fast as of now) why wouldn't you want to get information while out on the road just as fast as your home PC?

 

[2001400ex]

Uh, ok... part of your statement doesn't make sense, and the other part agrees with my analogy. The Thunderbolt's faster processor, huge screen (Super LCD), and LTE radio means it already has the big engine in it. The v8 engine consumes fuel at a faster rate, which I equate to using up the battery power faster.



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I think you missed my whole point. Instead of using analogies I will make it much simpler.

The Thunderbolt is too underpowered to be running over the LTE network. It's a 3G device trying to play on a LTE network. They are poking and prodding it through software updates.

A device with that size screen at that resolution on a LTE network has no business running a single core processor.

To add insult to injury they leave a small battery in it. It's all poorly executed.

CK, underlining it doesn't make it more true. Support your comments as the single core and update comments are not consistent with what John is saying.

 

[BzB]

it's a shame to see this thread derail into device/manufacturer bashing. lots of unsubstantiated claims about how powerful the TB isn't. personally i don't believe for one second that the TB doesn't have the processing power and sw to be a very good android LTE phone.

i do think there may be some issues in terms of how the LTE network is being accessed by the phone which could be causing a problem with either battery drain or dropped connections or both. it's very well understood that when a cell signal isn't handled well (either through bad reception or constantly trying to re-establish an existing connection) the device battery life will suffer. as will the user experience utilizing data services or making calls.

we don't have complete exposure to or understanding of whether the issues are because of some tweaking vzw has to do on their side with LTE network, or if it's on the HTC sw/hw side, or both. i happen to think it's a combination of both vzw and HTC working together to solve how the phone works on the network so other LTE phones won't experience the problem.

put it this way, if the bionic were coming first it would likely be dealing with the same network issues the TB is seeing.

insinuating that only dual core processor phones will be powerful enough to be good LTE phones on vzw smacks of brand/manufacturer fanboyism.

 

[Joeteck]

Phone makers are not going to pump money into developing Dual Core phones that run on 3G networks, they are of course going to make 4G capable phones. My suggestion to you is if someone makes a nice phone that isn't 4G LTE compatable, buy a few of them... in 6 months no one will make 3G Smartphones with the "next-gen" hardware specs in them.

That's interesting... I bet the majority will be staying with 3g with a 4g phone. I know I'm one of them, and if they force me to switch then I'll go back to my original DROID 1, or buy a DROID X and be done with it. The pricing eventually will come down to the 3g price, and it will... I don't need that BLAZING fast speed on my phone... I just want a newer phone with 3G service... If they did not offer the option, 4g phone sales will definitely drop considerably.. Because I would not get it if that was the case...

 

[tgyberg]

Now is 4g related to web only or will it speed up email and lets say the market as well?

 

[WorldOfJohnboy]

Now is 4g related to web only or will it speed up email and lets say the market as well?

All data speeds are increased... Web, email, market downloads, etc.