A Msg To Those Who Support Android But Not Google

[928Droid]

Cleaned up thread. Please gentlemen discuss this like adults. If you don't agree that's fine but please refrain from the personal attacks.

Thank you.

Is saying something like "someone needs to adjust their meds", or "someone FORGOT to take their meds" considered a personal attack???

OR, is that just being caring, concerned and helpful?

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[640k]

Cereal I disagree. If you look at the paper trails of the Nexus...they connect with Google. The Nexus is a Google Inc. phone...The Motorola Droid is not. The sales of the Droid are irrelevant to Google beyond the profit potential from the Android OS. Google Inc. is financially tied to the Nexus. Google also filed the trademark for the Nexus. They are in control of the Nexus from a legal perspective...they are not for the Moto Droid.

There is nothing wrong with Google aiding Motorola in designing a phone to be optimized for the Android OS. Yet, still no one has shown any true evidence of them having any hands-on approach to the phone to the extent others have claimed. Motorola designed the phone as they wanted.

Takeshi...please take your conspiracy theories elsewhere. No where in this thread is one advocating that Google is taking our data and using it against us. Thanks for putting words in my mouth.
[To address your hypocrisy remark: If one of my computers is a Macbook am I a hypocrite for not having an iPod? If I also have a Windows computer am I hypocrite for not using Hotmail and MSN? I support the stability of the Android OS and the potential for open development from its programmers and developers. This does not mean I have to be handcuffed to the imprisonment of Google's wishes. You are not a hypocrite by supporting the Android OS and not eating everything that Google feeds you.]

The Nexus sure doesn't seem like anything special or out of the ordinary for HTC. They may have an agreement, but I'm not seeing where this device was so specific for Google's needs that it's some "other" phone on the market. It's based off of existing technology already being implemented by HTC. HTC is a very predictable company and their products all share something amongst them.

 

[spacehopper51]

Cereal I disagree. If you look at the paper trails of the Nexus...they connect with Google. The Nexus is a Google Inc. phone...The Motorola Droid is not. The sales of the Droid are irrelevant to Google beyond the profit potential from the Android OS. Google Inc. is financially tied to the Nexus. Google also filed the trademark for the Nexus. They are in control of the Nexus from a legal perspective...they are not for the Moto Droid.

There is nothing wrong with Google aiding Motorola in designing a phone to be optimized for the Android OS. Yet, still no one has shown any true evidence of them having any hands-on approach to the phone to the extent others have claimed. Motorola designed the phone as they wanted.

[To address your hypocrisy remark: If one of my computers is a Macbook am I a hypocrite for not having an iPod? If I also have a Windows computer am I hypocrite for not using Hotmail and MSN? I support the stability of the Android OS and the potential for open development from its programmers and developers. This does not mean I have to be handcuffed to the imprisonment of Google's wishes. You are not a hypocrite by supporting the Android OS and not eating everything that Google feeds you.]

You're point still remains unclear to me. What exactly is the problem with Google selling a device of their own? The whole back and forth argument about nexus and droid is mindless so I will just ignore that, but what is exactly the problem with google's development? You continue to state arguments with no support at all. Please explain why google is the bad guy now for furthering full open source OS development with no ties to carriers. Also, yes you are a hypocrite if you don't support google as a whole but you do support android. The examples you use of iPod and hotmail are totally different than supporting a product and not the company. Your examples compare products to products.

In conclusion, I apologize for any errors in my post as I in fact typed this on my Motorola Droid with design by Google using swype.

 

[Martin030908]

This is how civil wars start.
We're all using Android, and it all comes from Google. Take it or leave it.

 

[RW-1]

LK, there are numerous sources available where you may obtain decaf in the morning...

I agree with you however, that article misses the point of true android platform supporters.

But tone it down a notch, for spies may find you if you use latitude...

 

[dieselpowered]

Five pages and I still have no idea who "we" is. Furthermore, I have no idea what the big deal is concerning Google. Quite frankly I feel they off quite a bit at no cost, ie Webmaster Tools, Analytics, GMail, etc.

 

[LordKastle]

Spacehopper why must it be one way or the highway? What world do you live in? Did I say boycott all Google touched things? Maybe you should go re-read the entire thread. It's a good thing Google helped Motorola to optimize OS for the phone...did they do anything else for Motorola? Well...there is no evidence of that.

To say its a hypocritical is being very naive. If one uses Windows, must they approve of all Microsoft activity? If one uses the Mac OS, must one become an Apple fanboy? If one uses Android, must one consider Google their God? I tend to think not. But thanks for your input.

One of your arguments against me is exactly why we endorse the Android OS...open source development. Google does not control the app development on the device either.

No one here said to boycott all Google related items. On a personal note...I will admit that I unsync'ed my phone. According to your terminology I am now not a hypocrite and can enjoy the Android OS for the raw beast which it is.

I am glad you do not want to talk about the differences between the Droid/Nexus...because there is no debate. The Nexus is Google Inc's property...the Droid is not.

 

[JhankG]

Spacehopper why must it be one way or the highway? What world do you live in? Did I say boycott all Google touched things? Maybe you should go re-read the entire thread. It's a good thing Google helped Motorola to optimize OS for the phone...did they do anything else for Motorola? Well...there is no evidence of that.

To say its a hypocritical is being very naive. If one uses Windows, must they approve of all Microsoft activity? If one uses the Mac OS, must one become an Apple fanboy? If one uses Android, must one consider Google their God? I tend to think not. But thanks for your input.

One of your arguments against me is exactly why we endorse the Android OS...open source development. Google does not control the app development on the device either.

No one here said to boycott all Google related items. On a personal note...I will admit that I unsync'ed my phone. According to your terminology I am now not a hypocrite and can enjoy the Android OS for the raw beast which it is.

I am glad you do not want to talk about the differences between the Droid/Nexus...because there is no debate. The Nexus is Google Inc's property...the Droid is not.

But, once again, Google played a very large part in developing BOTH phones. Why won't you accept that?

 

[Martin030908]

Spacehopper why must it be one way or the highway? What world do you live in? Did I say boycott all Google touched things? Maybe you should go re-read the entire thread. It's a good thing Google helped Motorola to optimize OS for the phone...did they do anything else for Motorola? Well...there is no evidence of that.

To say its a hypocritical is being very naive. If one uses Windows, must they approve of all Microsoft activity? If one uses the Mac OS, must one become an Apple fanboy? If one uses Android, must one consider Google their God? I tend to think not. But thanks for your input.

One of your arguments against me is exactly why we endorse the Android OS...open source development. Google does not control the app development on the device either.

No one here said to boycott all Google related items. On a personal note...I will admit that I unsync'ed my phone. According to your terminology I am now not a hypocrite and can enjoy the Android OS for the raw beast which it is.

I am glad you do not want to talk about the differences between the Droid/Nexus...because there is no debate. The Nexus is Google Inc's property...the Droid is not.

But, once again, Google played a very large part in developing BOTH phones. Why won't you accept that?

I'm with you on this one.

 

[928Droid]

...and like Google or not, you wouldn't have a Droid now if it wasn't for Google.

But in reality, just because you like a Ford Mustang, doesn't mean you have to like the other cars Ford makes, or even like Ford.

The bottom line is none of this chatter matters, it is what it is and none of us mere mortals are gonna change it. BUT, we can ***** about it all we want (obviously)!

EDIT: WOW I didn't know ***** was censored, you know it is a real word describing a female dog, not a cuss word.. Now this is something we should all get together and ***** about... son of a *****, it did it again. !!!

We need a ***** counter!!!

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[LordKastle]

What role did Google play beyond making sure the phone was optimized for the Android OS? It simply was an aiding role to the manufacturers to help with stability... doing this usually causes phones and the OS to run with more stability. This is why Microsoft has been working closer with the likes of Samsung during their release of 6.5 and future phones. It's a good thing but has no correlation to how the Nexus was designed with the specifications of it being the Google Phone.

I guess you can tell that we won't be converting to Nexus's anytime during the Spring.

Cereal you just posted after me but let me respond here...The Nexus is a Google trademark. This is the Google Phone we all heard rumors about.

 

[cereal killer]

Cereal I disagree. If you look at the paper trails of the Nexus...they connect with Google. The Nexus is a Google Inc. phone...The Motorola Droid is not.

I do understand that and they had the same amount of input on the Moto...

I will have to respectfully disagree about the concept of a Google phone.

When Google creates a device with NO branding, unlocked and can be taken to ANY carrier then I will concede that there is a Google Phone. Until then they are just putting out another Android device.

 

[Caindris]

No one is saying not to support the Android OS from manufacturers such as Motorola, Dell, Acer, LG, HTC. We are saying that the opposition of Google's infiltration in to the hardware business was a dagger to the back of many involved in the industry. "Y Tu Brute?"

Really if you're going to quote Shakespeare, at least take a moment to look up the quote. It's "Et tu, Brute". It's about as retarded as saying "a stick in time saves nine" or "a flash in the pants". Even conspiracy theories need proper quotation.

So let me see if I get this right. You support your google-owned phone OS, which Google has, for the most part, full control over. But the concept of them going to a phone maker and making a device to their specs freaks you out?

Even if your fear-mongering held a ounce of truth to it, it's still nowhere the monopolistic move that Apple has put forth in saying "this is the only phone that runs our phone OS". Google's Nexus One is fully dependent on people supporting it through choice, not because they're forced to because it's the only option of an Android phone. Who cares if Google makes the Nexus One, don't want it, don't buy it.. go get some other Android phone. Phew, rough. Thinking is hard!

 

[640k]

No one is saying not to support the Android OS from manufacturers such as Motorola, Dell, Acer, LG, HTC. We are saying that the opposition of Google's infiltration in to the hardware business was a dagger to the back of many involved in the industry. "Y Tu Brute?"

Really if you're going to quote Shakespeare, at least take a moment to look up the quote. It's "Et tu, Brute". It's about as retarded as saying "a stick in time saves nine" or "a flash in the pants". Even conspiracy theories need proper quotation.

So let me see if I get this right. You support your google-owned phone OS, which Google has, for the most part, full control over. But the concept of them going to a phone maker and making a device to their specs freaks you out?

Even if your fear-mongering held a ounce of truth to it, it's still nowhere the monopolistic move that Apple has put forth in saying "this is the only phone that runs our phone OS". Google's Nexus One is fully dependent on people supporting it through choice, not because they're forced to because it's the only option of an Android phone. Who cares if Google makes the Nexus One, don't want it, don't buy it.. go get some other Android phone. Phew, rough. Thinking is hard!

Really, Caindris?????

That makes about as much sense as a screen door on a battleship. So why don't you make like a tree and get outta here!

 

[Azmordean]

I really think the Motorola CEO said it best. What Google has really done is inserted a new marketing chain. That is, the possibility of buying the phone directly from Google. Nexus One is the first device but not the only one. Id think it possible they may sell non-google branded devices as well (e.g. droid) but id expect it to be limited to Google Experience devices.

I really think the iPhone almost necessitated this - some people like the idea of buying through Apple (or google) rather than through a carrier even if you end up locked in to a carrier anyway.