A Plan For A Brighter Android Future

[WugFresh]

@ALL

Can we direct the comments to address ways the plan could be improved, by either revising policies, new policies, or new strategies...

Or objectively state other costs that could be incurred by doing this.

That would help ALOT. There is no point in arguing weather it will work. I will determine that mathematically long before its submitted anywhere.

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[cereal killer]

Wug please see above. Time to wrap this up.....

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Don't wrap this thread up. Please.


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That's the last thing I want to do wug. If everyone is happy with the situation and it remains civil, which it has, more power to you : ) ill let the banter continue.

If not we need to stop the bickering.

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[13th angel]

Time to wrap this up.....

+1 tired of getting emails from this thread thats just arguing

You so mean, CK. We are just enjoying the forum.

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Lol true but there has to be a point where it has to stop being pointless bickering.

@Wug, i think this plan has a good chance of succeeding. You definitely spent plenty of time coming up with it and typing it all up. However, the only way that it will work (i think anyways) would be to skip the roll-over. It would end up doing the same damage as is currently being done by tethering however it would be in bursts rather than constantly (guess thats still a little better?). Tetherers could simply wait until a month or two of data has rolled over and then use it rather than just using it as wanted.

The SBF disk type of thing is a good idea however distribution could be problematic since there are so many different phones and models. Would you ship them with the phone or place an iso of the disk on a server somewhere and in the process of unlocking link to it?

 

[WugFresh]

I am fine. It was my fault for not being clear enough regarding the fact that this plan will only be as good as its financial analysis. This thread should be geared towards ways of realizing the costs, and thinking of new ways to make it profitable. How can money be made, what money will have to be spent. These are things that would help. Trying to specifically tell me that my plan won't work before I have calculated anything, is just not helpful at all, or bears any real truth. There is no point arguing the theory. Just talk about the reality. The math will show the rest. If it looks like it cannot be made profitable the way I have planned it, then I will have to rethink the entire idea, if it still can't be profitable, then I will have to rethink it again.

At this point in time, I still think that it can be made profitable. That is my stance, however I have yet to do the financial analysis to back that claim up. I am hoping that I can think of ways to ensure that my prediction is correct. Please help me do so. Thank you.

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[WugFresh]

Time to wrap this up.....

+1 tired of getting emails from this thread thats just arguing

You so mean, CK. We are just enjoying the forum.

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Lol true but there has to be a point where it has to stop being pointless bickering.

@Wug, i think this plan has a good chance of succeeding. You definitely spent plenty of time coming up with it and typing it all up. However, the only way that it will work (i think anyways) would be to skip the roll-over. It would end up doing the same damage as is currently being done by tethering however it would be in bursts rather than constantly (guess thats still a little better?). Tetherers could simply wait until a month or two of data has rolled over and then use it rather than just using it as wanted.

The SBF disk type of thing is a good idea however distribution could be problematic since there are so many different phones and models. Would you ship them with the phone or place an iso of the disk on a server somewhere and in the process of unlocking link to it?

Yeah... roll over might be bad. Maybe the soft cap rethought. Or the on demand data.

10GB hard cap.. with a 5GB softcap... or something. That might work..?

The SBF disc.. IDK. ISO on server is cheaper. But then you have to account for people who don't know how to burn a disc. Will have to be something to think of.

Both good points. Thank you.

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[13th angel]

For not knowing how to burn a disk, Windows 7 automatically tries to burn the file to a disk when you try to open an iso unless you have something else set to the file association (such as daemon tools) so that wouldnt really be a problem. If your on linux its pretty safe to assume you know how to burn a disk. Mac, im not sure about. Ive never played on one and really have no desire to.

 

[WugFresh]

For not knowing how to burn a disk, Windows 7 automatically tries to burn the file to a disk when you try to open an iso unless you have something else set to the file association (such as daemon tools) so that wouldnt really be a problem. If your on linux its pretty safe to assume you know how to burn a disk. Mac, im not sure about. Ive never played on one and really have no desire to.

All true. The iso would cut down overhead tremendously. Plus instructions for burning the disc can be on the server for all three comp types. Great point, thank you for your comments on this.

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[Doulandroid]

Why not user id if you opt in to the program, with sbf files, ability to purchase data, and some support? I pay netflix for that privilege monthly, pandora yearly. This program would be intimidating to most people now, but people tend to get more savvy and comfortable as tech progresses. My daughter is learning basic computer skills in elementary school now.

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[13th angel]

Also, something i just thought of. How would you go about if you sbf back? Because it completely wipes your system and data and returns it to factory. Would there still be some way to have it unlocked again without calling and getting the code or whatever it is? Or would you just have the code baked into the sbf? If the later then you could run into a problem of people grabbing the sbf, flashing it to unlock the phone and the provider never knowing.

Your welcome, trying to help however I can and have no idea how other than thinking through possible issues.

 

[aristoid]

Anyone else get the feeling VZW could implement this plan tomorrow, word for word, and czerdrill would be calling customer service complaining about it being misguided?

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You and I both...I am getting as tired of this as Wug. Don't give uo the hope or fight Wug - some of us support you and your idea!!

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[Snow02]

Guys, Sony is apparently implementing an individual unlock option on some upcoming devices. Don't say "that's not what this plan is about". The basic principle is the same and it will certainly provide a good test case.

If it proves to be overly problematic, expensive, or just unpopular, you can go ahead and write off any hope of taking this anywhere. On the other hand, it could go the other way and lend credence to the ideas put forth here. It's worth keeping an eye on or even, you know, participating in, if you feel that strongly about it.

 

[WugFresh]

Also, something i just thought of. How would you go about if you sbf back? Because it completely wipes your system and data and returns it to factory. Would there still be some way to have it unlocked again without calling and getting the code or whatever it is? Or would you just have the code baked into the sbf? If the later then you could run into a problem of people grabbing the sbf, flashing it to unlock the phone and the provider never knowing.

Your welcome, trying to help however I can and have no idea how other than thinking through possible issues.

I was thinking about this. You know how you have to activate your phone now when you sbf. Like press one to activate. Maybe that front end activation thing would either lock or unlock you. Because when you press one now, it checks your phone ID to their database and then initiates service. I dont see why they couldn't make it so that when it initiates service, it also pings back something to the phone that says its a DEV plan and for it to unlock.

OR.... you would have to unlock it again. And in that regard, maybe you call in. Or there is a website that you can go to get a new key, that is only a one time key and is specifically linked to your account.

Kinda like the way Chase bank verifies that you are you when you are on a different computer. Like with the identification code they email or text you. That could work.

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[WugFresh]

Guys, Sony is apparently implementing an individual unlock option on some upcoming devices. Don't say "that's not what this plan is about". The basic principle is the same and it will certainly provide a good test case.

If it proves to be overly problematic, expensive, or just unpopular, you can go ahead and write off any hope of taking this anywhere. On the other hand, it could go the other way and lend credence to the ideas put forth here. It's worth keeping an eye on or even, you know, participating in, if you feel that strongly about it.

Agreed. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Good point snow. If it bombs... then a lot of this will have to be rethought. Or maybe re-engineered depending on the reason it fails or semi-fails...

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[13th angel]

Also, something i just thought of. How would you go about if you sbf back? Because it completely wipes your system and data and returns it to factory. Would there still be some way to have it unlocked again without calling and getting the code or whatever it is? Or would you just have the code baked into the sbf? If the later then you could run into a problem of people grabbing the sbf, flashing it to unlock the phone and the provider never knowing.

Your welcome, trying to help however I can and have no idea how other than thinking through possible issues.

I was thinking about this. You know how you have to activate your phone now when you sbf. Like press one to activate. Maybe that front end activation thing would either lock or unlock you. Because when you press one now, it checks your phone ID to their database and then initiates service. I dont see why they couldn't make it so that when it initiates service, it also pings back something to the phone that says its a DEV plan and for it to unlock.

OR.... you would have to unlock it again. And in that regard, maybe you call in. Or there is a website that you can go to get a new key, that is only a one time key and is specifically linked to your account.

Kinda like the way Chase bank verifies that you are you when you are on a different computer. Like with the identification code they email or text you. That could work.

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I think the one time key would work best. Maybe have it on the vzw website that way you have to log into your account to get it? Just trying to help get details sorted that way if this does go to vzw there arent things that arent thought out ahead of time. Would look really bad not to have something that basic thought out in my opinion.

 

[WugFresh]

Why not user id if you opt in to the program, with sbf files, ability to purchase data, and some support? I pay netflix for that privilege monthly, pandora yearly. This program would be intimidating to most people now, but people tend to get more savvy and comfortable as tech progresses. My daughter is learning basic computer skills in elementary school now.

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Yup. This is inline with my thought exactly. Have people pay, and eventually they will cancel some of the services they don't need as they become a more knowledgeable user. The idea is to ween them off support as quickly as possible, by bringing them up to speed quickly. Or maybe.. if the support actually proves to be profitable. Maybe it wont even matter. Make a bunch of money for the companies dealing with newbs bricking their phones. That could work too. Who knows. I will have to get a lot of information regarding how much support costs. I know now a days, that most phone support gets off shored to india, because it is much cheaper their. There is a whole industry of phone support which has become very big in india. Those costs would have to be factored in.

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