So you didn't read it when you signed it, and now you want someone to find it for you? Come on man...put some work in...
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A Plan For A Brighter Android Future
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So you didn't read it when you signed it, and now you want someone to find it for you? Come on man...put some work in...
Sorry im a bit busy right now, trying to get a lot done. I believe that it says that, I'd just like to see how its phrased. I just don't have time to go look for it myself.
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Ok...well here you go:
What Are Verizon Wireless' Rights to Limit or End Service or End this Agreement?
We can, without notice, limit, suspend or end your Service or any agreement with you for any good cause, including, but not limited to: (1) if you: (a) breach this agreement; (b) resell your Service; (c) use your Service for any illegal purpose, including use that violates trade and economic sanctions and prohibitions promulgated by any U.S. governmental agency; (d) install, deploy or use any regeneration equipment or similar mechanism (for example, a repeater) to originate, amplify, enhance, retransmit or regenerate an RF signal without our permission; (e) steal from or lie to us; or, if you're a Postpay customer, (f) pay late more than once in any 12 months; (g) incur charges larger than a required deposit or billing limit, or materially in excess of your monthly access charges (even if we haven't yet billed the charges); (h) provide credit information we can't verify; or (i) are unable to pay us or go bankrupt; or (2) if you, any user of your device or any account manager on your account: (a) threaten, harass, or use vulgar and/or inappropriate language toward our representatives; (b) interfere with our operations; (c) "spam," or engage in other abusive messaging or calling; (d) modify your device from its manufacturer's specifications; or (e) use your Service in a way that negatively affects our network or other customers. We can also temporarily limit your Service for any operational or governmental reason.
Source: Customer Agreement
And...yes, you agreed to this, regardless of whether you read it or not.
Im not saying I did not agree (I did) or that I didn't read it (I didnt, but for arguments sake how many people do read it?). I know what we see when we read "manufacturers specifications" but I want to know what VZW implies with it.
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lol yeah i cant count the number of times i linked the tethering part of the TOS also. I understand that not everyone reads their TOS', and I'm not going to sit here and say I read every single paragraph with a magnifying glass, but I'm also not crazy enough to think that a company like VZW will try to pull wool over their customer's eyes without having some kind of provision in writing. Like they're sitting there going "hmmm, maybe they won't notice if we do this..."
Anything that VZW does is in writing. That doesn't mean you can't take it to court and have it overturned, but to say "No one told me! It's not fair!! I didn't agree to this" is dumb...because you did. And no carrier is going to change their policies that you agreed to, because you all of a sudden think it's not fair.
All of this stuff about bootloaders, policy changes, and class action lawsuits is just a bunch of talk...not going to see anything come out of any of this.
There's no implication. It's clear as day. You buy the phone as is, and if you modify it from it's specifications (anything from overclocking, to rooting, to adding more memory if you could) gives them the right to deny you service and void your warranty, per the agreement that everyone who starts a contract has a choice, yes choice to agree to or not. If you agree to it with your signature, your chances of successfully playing the "i didnt know what they meant" and "it's not fair" card holds no weight. These questions should have been asked at the time of signing.
and you will always have the choice to not give them a dime.
I don't recall saying it was you. However, if you're denying that people have said those things, then I don't know what to tell you. My statement wasn't an attack on you, it was a general statement about why the emotional beliefs of phone owners does not trump legality.
So by your reasoning its ok to pirate Windows because bill gates has enough money....
I'm sorry to say this, but Verizon DOES care about you, one reason they are taking these steps is to lighten the load on their network caused by tetherers. Those people hog the bandwidth and make everyone else's devices slower...
Oh wait, you said you hope to use 500gb??? You are the abuser Verizon is trying to stop!!! Let me give you a personal thanks! Thank you for overusing your service and causing us all to have to pay more and have lower speeds...
I think all of us non-tetherers should bring a class-action suit against users like you, and the creators of the wireless tether apps... My bill could be $20 cheaper a month if it wasn't for them...
LOL, see I kid about lawsuits while people on the other side think its actually conceivable that they'd win!!!!!
Ok. I didn't think it was personal attack either way. But yes you are right, the goal would be to create something that was monetarily enticing without the clause for device modifications; by newb proofing those modifications through a new marketesk rom manager and a true recovery, plus the other things I proposed thus far. I am still not happy with it at this point.
But yeah, there is a no justifying breaking legal agreements besides convincing your conscious. I know that I did, and tethered, but if I got a letter I wouldn't be angry or have any means to say that it wasn't fair.
{{ WugFresh }}
There is no guarantee that has anything to do with software. That language is generally interpreted as pertaining to hardware. If software had to remain the same as the way it was sold to you, anytime an OTA update was pushed to your phone by the carriers you would be in violation of the contract. Imagine a day where they could deny you service for installing a different launcher than the one your phone shipped with.
Yes, it is a matter of semantics on some level. The point is that the carriers don't retain any particular ownership of the phone because of the subsidy... it's not like a home loan. If we don't make our monthly contract payments, we're only in violation of our contract and thus we pay an ETF. We can keep the phone as it has already been purchased by the price of the contract we signed (and that is what the ETF is specifically for). If they had any ownership rights over the phone itself you best believe some carriers would try and get them back.
It's obviously vague for a reason, but generally interpreted as hardware specifications. Meaning, you can't install a 4G radio on your Droid Incredible 2 and pretend you are still using the phone "within spec."
That is not clear. Rooting is a modification of software and there is nothing to clearly state that they can deny you service for it. Warranty? Yes (they can deny).
Brandon
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