A Plan For A Brighter Android Future

[Doulandroid]

It's not spin, the exploits are out, he doesn't need to talk about them anymore. Why would sony settle with one guy, if they thought they would win in court, thus giving them a example for anyone desiring to crack the ps4? Instead geohot had 10,000 bucks leftover to give the Electronic Frontiers Foundation, which supports open source programming.

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[Doulandroid]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/109311-GeoHot-Donates-Leftover-Legal-Funds-to-EFF

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[czerdrill]

It's not spin, the exploits are out, he doesn't need to talk about them anymore. Why would sony settle with one guy, if they thought they would win in court, thus giving them a example for anyone desiring to crack the ps4? Instead geohot had 10,000 bucks leftover to give the Electronic Frontiers Foundation, which supports open source programming.

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wow you clearly have no grasp on how settlements work. The reason companies offer settlements is because it'll cost them more to defend a case then any outcome would give them. but you better believe the settlement benefits them.

your implying that companies can do illegal things at will, and then just settle when someone sues them. pretty awesome legal loophole, no? talk about an extremely skewed view of the justice system.

what you're doing is spin.

 

[czerdrill]

The Escapist : News : GeoHot Donates Leftover Legal Funds to EFF

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People donated to him, and the case didn't go to trial...not sure why you think him having left over funds is something awesome...

 

[Doulandroid]

Once again, sony sued geohot, not the other way around. Why would they drop a suit they started if they were afraid it would cost them more money? If geohot only had 10k left, surely sony could have out spent him to prevent others from trying to go after the psp. I'm not even saying what he did was right.

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[czerdrill]

Once again, sony sued geohot, not the other way around. Why would they drop a suit they started if they were afraid it would cost them more money? If geohot only had 10k left, surely sony could have out spent him to prevent others from trying to go after the psp. I'm not even saying what he did was right.

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once again, to get their way. you're now suggesting that if you had a way to save millions, you wouldn't take it? rather you'd take someone to trial to get the same outcome you'd get by settling just to prove a point? i hope you are not a business owner.

there was no reason for them to outspend him. he knew he had no chance of defending himself, they knew that, so they offered him a settlement which benefited them, saved them millions and got them the outcome they were looking for, and he took it because he had no choice.

it wasn't a "hey geohot, we made a horrible mistake. please take this job with us and forget this ever happened. and forgive us" situation.

 

[WugFresh]

@czerdrill, I know my rights, note that I stated it wasn't illegal multiple times in that post. You are protected by your first amendment right to tell people how to root because you are allowed to distribute information as long as it doesn't put anyone at risk of death or in harms way, and as long as it is legal. Your warranty can be voided, but it is not criminal activity to discuss rooting. I haven't participated in any threads discussing how to commit insurance fraud, because that is illegal and isn't condoned discussion on these sites for that reason. I think that you are well. aware that I didn't think I could just say "freedom of speech" in court... so I don't even know why you are making that point..? Just for the sake of doing so...? Or did you actually thinks what I was saying?

{{ WugFresh }}

 

[czerdrill]

@czerdrill, I know my rights, note that I stated it wasn't illegal multiple times in that post. You are protected by your first amendment right to tell people how to root because you are allowed to distribute information as long as it doesn't put anyone at risk of death or in harms way, and as long as it is legal. Your warranty can be voided, but it is not criminal activity to discuss rooting. I haven't participated in any threads discussing how to commit insurance fraud, because that is illegal and isn't condoned discussion on these sites for that reason. I think that you are well. aware that I didn't think I could just say "freedom of speech" in court... so I don't even know why you are making that point..? Just for the sake of doing so...? Or did you actually thinks what I was saying?

{{ WugFresh }}

no not at all. haha, i think you think i have some vendetta against you. tbh i think you are one of the smarter people who post in this thread, and i'm sure you're well aware of what's right and wrong (although you did try to justify tethering at one point...so who knows).

my point is these devs that you praise for their hard work etc, are also the ones who give information about tethering and how to unroot when you brick your phone, etc. so while the actual printing of "this is how you root" isn't wrong, it's not like it's a whole different subset of posters are telling you how to tether and unroot when you brick your phone and need to send it in for service. it's the same devs, and its the same people posting in those threads.

my point was, you can say "i just told people how to root so that's my first amendment right" which is fine, but if you're also creating apps to help people tether, or creating throttle mods (which to this day makes me laugh that so many people just bought that crap hook line and sinker no questions asked), your credibility as some freedom fighting first amendment upholder goes out the door. Just saying...and no...this is not an attack on you (I feel like I have to keep reassuring you of this haha).

 

[Doulandroid]

There is a difference between something being a LAW, either state or federal, and you not living up to or within a consumer contract. Someone, please give me one example of someone being successfully prosecuted for rooting or jailbreaking their phone. Texting while driving is illegal in some places, rooting is not.

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[czerdrill]

There is a difference between something being a LAW, either state or federal, and you not living up to or within a consumer contract. Someone, please give me one example of someone being successfully prosecuted for rooting or jailbreaking their phone. Texting while driving is illegal in some places, rooting is not.

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i don't think anyone, anywhere in this thread has said rooting is illegal...

 

[Doulandroid]

@czerdrill
I don't recall talking about class action lawsuits or saying it wasn't fair, or demanding policy changes..

{{ WugFresh }}

I don't recall saying it was you. However, if you're denying that people have said those things, then I don't know what to tell you. My statement wasn't an attack on you, it was a general statement about why the emotional beliefs of phone owners does not trump legality.

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[Doulandroid]

You said it, buddy.

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[czerdrill]

You said it, buddy.

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sigh...
...not sure why i'm even bothering with this...

what i said was that if verizon wants to void your warranty for rooting they can, and will, and have the right to do so because of the TOS, and the customer agreement.

i didn't say rooting is illegal...nor have i ever said that.

RIF. (Reading Is Fundamental for all you young ones)

 

[Doulandroid]

Trumping legality implies breaking legal code, not a temporary consumer contract. Keep it as breaking, or Trumping TOS, there are no laws against rooting. Failing to make your payments is service denied, not go to debtor's prison. Cydia and geohot have proven that companies do not have the laws nor precedent to make even much more blatantly abusive practices than rooting viable in court.

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[czerdrill]

Trumping legality implies breaking legal code, not a temporary consumer contract. Keep it as breaking, or Trumping TOS, there are no laws against rooting. Failing to make your payments is service denied, not go to debtor's prison. Cydia and geohot have proven that companies do not have the laws nor precedent to make even much more blatantly abusive practices than rooting viable in court.

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Wow. when i said "trumping legality" i was referring to tethering which is stealing service which is illegal. If you don't believe it is, i implore you to call verizon and tell them you are going to tether 50GB this month, will not pay them, and they can't do anything about it. you won't do that, so just stop with the baseless argument.

secondly, if you still truly believe that sony settled with geohot because they were afraid of him or thought they wouldn't win, i really cant say much more. but believe me, i'm laughing. at you. companies settle lawsuits every single day. that's not an exaggeration. companies get sued, or sue others every single day. if you think that every time they settle they're admitting their guilt, or know they can't win, you're about as silly as they come. i'm just glad you don't own your own business, because you would have filed bankruptcy by the second day. not protecting your business, giving away free service, and taking cases that you know you can't lose to trial just to prove a point. LOL, what hilarious antics.