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ALERT! 2.2 FroYo Circus continues...FRG01B is Official get it here.

I must be an idiot. I can't get it to work...get E:signtature verification failed. Oh well.

Guess I'll just wait for Verizon ...:icon_frown:
Try naming it update in Astro before trying to install it again. The file I gave you was from Peter Alphonso's personal stash, so unless the download was incomplete or corrupted somehow, it should work if it's named correctly. Astro automatically assigns file extensions, so your best bet if it's on there is to just name it update and let Astro do the .zip part.

Good luck and if there are any further issues, feel free to post and we'll try to help. :)

Alright. I'll try again. Thanks! :)

SWEET! Woohoo!!Thanks! I have it working now! dancedroid :icon_ banana:
Anything special I should know?
 
Try naming it update in Astro before trying to install it again. The file I gave you was from Peter Alphonso's personal stash, so unless the download was incomplete or corrupted somehow, it should work if it's named correctly. Astro automatically assigns file extensions, so your best bet if it's on there is to just name it update and let Astro do the .zip part.

Good luck and if there are any further issues, feel free to post and we'll try to help. :)

Alright. I'll try again. Thanks! :)

SWEET! Woohoo!!Thanks! I have it working now! dancedroid :icon_ banana:
Anything special I should know?
Your Droid was just through a traumatic experience. Caress it gently, speak softly, and don't push it too hard for the first hour or so while it recovers. ;)

After that, ride it hard, just don't put it away wet. :)
 
I've had it since last night and the only issue I've had is some new behavior with the notification LED -- which is now 100% customizable. It's not bad, just new.

And the power widget alone... My Gods... :shocked:

How do you customize they notification LED?
I'm running a custom ROM that allows me to do that. Apparently there's an app in the market that does the same thing. I can't remember the name at the moment, but if you look in the market (or do a Google search -- it usually gives me the name and I can go straight to the market or use a barcode scanner/chrome2phone to get me to the app) you might find it. :) Good luck and let me know if you can't; I'll see if I can and link you.
 
I've had it since last night and the only issue I've had is some new behavior with the notification LED -- which is now 100% customizable. It's not bad, just new.

And the power widget alone... My Gods... :shocked:

How do you customize they notification LED?
I'm running a custom ROM that allows me to do that. Apparently there's an app in the market that does the same thing. I can't remember the name at the moment, but if you look in the market (or do a Google search -- it usually gives me the name and I can go straight to the market or use a barcode scanner/chrome2phone to get me to the app) you might find it. :) Good luck and let me know if you can't; I'll see if I can and link you.

Okay, that makes sense. I thought you were talking about the latest OTA update... severely disappointed :(
 
Okay, that makes sense. I thought you were talking about the latest OTA update... severely disappointed :(

Sorry to disappoint. I've disappointed myself here, too, because I can't find the app I was talking about with quick Google and thread searches. I don't know which thread it was in, either, so my 6+ pages of subscribed threads don't help. Maybe you'd have better luck than I just did and report back if you do? :)
 
Very tempted but can't bring myself to do this manual update. Not sure why, I have been a computer/software/tech professional since before some posters here were born but just can't do it. It's probably due to the fear of missing something important from Verizon if I don't play by the rules. My phone is an indispensable tool for me. I have no problem being patient, my temptation comes from the idea of having a clean load. And after reading this whole thread and some posts in the android forum I still do not completely understand the genesis and composition of this file. We are told that it is the same file that came in the OTA with some different scripts (created by whom?) to apply the upgrade. We are told that the OTA patches the OS while this file is a complete install. So how are they the same file? Does the OTA contain the complete install but the scripts that come with it pick and choose which files to install while the scripts on the OP file install all the files?
Although I am very experienced with software I am pretty ignorant of Linux and Android so I am just not getting this. I understand the windows analogy but on the other hand I am told that the android OS does not deteriorate over time or leaves garbage behind like windows does, so how then is this "clean install" better than the OTA?
Sorry for all the questions, I have an idle mind right now :)
 
Very tempted but can't bring myself to do this manual update. Not sure why, I have been a computer/software/tech professional since before some posters here were born but just can't do it. It's probably due to the fear of missing something important from Verizon if I don't play by the rules. My phone is an indispensable tool for me. I have no problem being patient, my temptation comes from the idea of having a clean load. And after reading this whole thread and some posts in the android forum I still do not completely understand the genesis and composition of this file. We are told that it is the same file that came in the OTA with some different scripts (created by whom?) to apply the upgrade. We are told that the OTA patches the OS while this file is a complete install. So how are they the same file? Does the OTA contain the complete install but the scripts that come with it pick and choose which files to install while the scripts on the OP file install all the files?
Although I am very experienced with software I am pretty ignorant of Linux and Android so I am just not getting this. I understand the windows analogy but on the other hand I am told that the android OS does not deteriorate over time or leaves garbage behind like windows does, so how then is this "clean install" better than the OTA?
Sorry for all the questions, I have an idle mind right now :)
You're not the first person to wonder, so here's the best answer we can give to you or anyone who asks, without getting into too much technical detail that might confuse or, at the very least, bore the crap out of anyone who reads it:

The larger update, linked to in the OP, was built by Motorola (just like the smaller one) to allow Verizon techs to recover phones corrupted by the earlier install. This is theory, but seems to fit the facts. The signature is the most important part, but more on this later.

The smaller file is the one being pushed out OTA. It works, but has had a higher reported percentage of borked installs, many of which have been corrected by installing the larger file over the smaller one. A lot of people, all more skilled and possibly smarter than me, have looked into the guts of the larger file and have declared it clean of malicious intent; indeed, the signature alone would indicate it's clean. Nobody has yet discovered a way to sign an update.zip so it would work with the stock recovery. Hopefully nobody ever will or a lot of people are suddenly in danger of having their phones hijacked.

It's not the "same" file in the same way brothers or sisters are not the "same" person. However, they do the same thing as far as the end user and Verizon are concerned. They install FRG01B. One does it in a method that leaves less room for trouble while the other requires less bandwidth to push out to the end users, most of whom are still unaware there's an update being pushed, let alone what it is and why it's important.

Patience is important. However, keep in mind that there's no guarantee that the OTA when it hits your phone won't mess it up. Verizon will replace it at that point, yes, but if you push the manual install onto your phone and it messes up, they'll do the same thing because it's all their software. :) The reason for the smaller update being the one pushed out OTA is to minimize the impact to Verizon's 3G network as this is a MAJOR rollout.

Whenever you patch something big like this, as I'm sure you're aware, you modify code inside some files and replace others. The problem comes in when you're trying to modify so many files at the same time that bit errors creep in. Get enough of those and the error correction capabilities are overwhelmed and the system can't keep up. This results in lag in varying severity, and in the worst cases force-closure issues and even boot loops. The "cleaner" install overwrites, installing clean code everywhere instead of leaving parts behind that might have been corrupted at an earlier date for whatever reason. It's "cleaner" and "fresher" and results in fewer "wrinkles" for the end user to do it this way. It just cost Verizon more, and their number crunchers probably figured that replacing X number of phones was cheaper than loss in revenue that would have resulted in rolling out the larger file. This last part is pure conjecture but also fits the facts.

Cleaner, fresher, and fewer wrinkles. This is the first time I've ever heard of FroYo being used as a fabric softener. ;)

If you want to wait, please do. If you have further questions or concerns, please ask. We will be happy to help you as best we can. I hope this has been informative. :)
 
And after reading this whole thread and some posts in the android forum I still do not completely understand the genesis and composition of this file. We are told that it is the same file that came in the OTA with some different scripts (created by whom?) to apply the upgrade. We are told that the OTA patches the OS while this file is a complete install. So how are they the same file? Does the OTA contain the complete install but the scripts that come with it pick and choose which files to install while the scripts on the OP file install all the files?
Although I am very experienced with software I am pretty ignorant of Linux and Android so I am just not getting this. I understand the windows analogy but on the other hand I am told that the android OS does not deteriorate over time or leaves garbage behind like windows does, so how then is this "clean install" better than the OTA?
Sorry for all the questions, I have an idle mind right now :)


If you have, say, Microsoft Office 2009 and have an update disc to bring in to Office 2010, will that disc be exactly the same disc that comes in the box from Best Buy if you didn't have Microsoft Office? No they wouldn't, yet the end result is the same.

You can get the update that's exactly like the one that the OTA is, or get the one at the beginning of this thread. Again the end result will be the same. The choice is up to you.
 
tech guy at verizon said they can tell if you manualy update phone and it will void warranty. is this true


I suppose in theory they could tell by looking at your account whether or not it had been pushed to you. After that, it's all the same though. I doubt there is any other way they could tell (apart from weird update.zip files on the sdcard were you to forget to delete them)
 
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