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Android is losing

I said that it was difficult for me not to make some sort of negative remark regarding apple products because of my feelings towards their company and image as a whole. You are free to argue that their marketing does not make them lame... but in my opinion, it does... so I call them lame. Like I said.. apple makes quality products, but that does exonerate them from my judgement. If they were less lame, then I wouldn't call them lame. Is that valid?

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I agree completely, honestly I'll never buy a Mac or other apple product.
I got the iPhone because everything it has to offer. It just seems like a more linuxy device, you can compile Binaries and crosscompile all from the device... Something android lacks.


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Am I hearing you correctly? You can compile binaries on the device itself? If that is really true... then I really have no comeback besides my original statement that they are lame. Now I just wish that they weren't so lame so that I could allow myself to buy one.

{{ WugFresh }}

Yup, which means almost every binary for Linux can be used on the iPhone, although some simple porting is sometimes needed since the filesystems are a lot different.

But there are so many utilities that can be compiled for arm right from the device that can be used like adobe air.

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I think some android users pat themselves on the back too much. I'm sorry, android users are not any smarter then iphone users. In some cases, I'd argue the exact opposite. Android fanboys are some of the most obnoxious and arrogant people on the internet...far worse then any "iphan"

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Then I guess I have to agree with the thread title. But regardless of how good apples products really are, android still wins by default because at least they don't have the audacity to call trained tech support "Genius's", put an "i" prefix before everything they sell, or market simplicity to tap into the computer-noob niche. These are all the things that just get to me and make it impossible for me to purchase an iPhone. Someone needs to just buy one for me as a gift.. lol. I wouldn't even bring it out with me at first... I would have to develop something cool that I could show people, so at least it was something I worked on... Not showing off my proprietary iLame... that might be the only way I could have one of those things without being disgusted with myself.

Can a third company just emerge already and make a legit linux phone already! Arghh.. Why must apple be the winner... why couldn't it be anyone else???

Well... Android... like I said.. you won this round by default, but there will come a time where I simply wont be capable of justifying your use if you don't step up your spec/feature game a little. If there becomes an even clearer distinction between the two... then I will have to just deal with my inner apple hatred and buy one anyway... I will just keep reminding myself that its really just a Linux machine. Maybe I can bring a penguin sticker to the store so that the second I buy it I can just cover up the apple logo with it. Maybe then I can live in denial that I purchased an apple device and not be so disgusted with it. I really hope that android just steps it up already so I don't have to make such a difficult decision.

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I think some android users pat themselves on the back too much. I'm sorry, android users are not any smarter then iphone users. In some cases, I'd argue the exact opposite. Android fanboys are some of the most obnoxious and arrogant people on the internet...far worse then any "iphan"

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Every popular device has its fanboy base. Fanboy is simply a negative stereotype in general, but I will say that I give the android community props for being the most willing to help each other out. Earlier today I posted about bootloop help after an SBF in ten minutes I had an answer and in a helpful friendly way. I've never received support like that from a community.

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Honestly The iPhone firmware seems more like a Linux device then android, after it's jailbreak its like a os that Can be customized from every aspect. The only thing that cannot be edited from the device is the kernel, carrier text and application text can be simply changed with a text editor, most apps can be "hacked" with a text editor to get your way to the tippy top of the leaderboard. Although these aren't reasons that makes iPhone excel in the mobile os field, it just proves it's simplicity to customize.


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I think some android users pat themselves on the back too much. I'm sorry, android users are not any smarter then iphone users. In some cases, I'd argue the exact opposite. Android fanboys are some of the most obnoxious and arrogant people on the internet...far worse then any "iphan"

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A.) I hope you are not talking about me because we have been debating a lot and you have disagreed with me many of times, but I wouldn't call myself arrogant or obnoxious. If you think that, then I hope you would say that directly.

B.) I think that as a whole... the mobile technology sector really doesn't accurately categorize peoples technical skills the way a real computer does. And I am more than happy to say that Apple vs. PC & Linux users sets up a very clear divide.

Apple is designed specifically for NOOBS. That is their marketing strategy, that is what they are all about. User friendly, bubbly GUI's, and keeping everything "Grandma-level" regarding simplicity.

This however is not to say that's a bad thing... computer technology should be simplified.... but the user base they are catering to, never learns how to actually use a computer. I rarely use macs, but when I do... I figure out how to do anything I am trying to do in 3 seconds. A mac user goes on a PC or a Linux machine and they are like... I don't know how to do anything.. because I have ZERO technical intuition and this OS isn't catering to my ridiculous noobness. Where is the Email button!? I seriously can't control myself when it comes to deal with these people... all I want to say to them is go back to your noob machine, this one is for people who have a brain.

To be clear. This is my experience with the majority of mac users.... but to the same extent, I know people who are more tech savvy than me who own macs and use them as their primary machines... So in that regard... I can't pass the same judgment. Those are typically the people who started on linux and then decided to get a mac. But the people who just go straight mac... never learn anything... at all. The only thing mac users are good at is the programs they use... When it comes to navigating an OS... they know absolutely nothing unless its obnoxiously displayed in their face. That is my biggest problem.

Regarding android users.... are they all smart... I don't know.... but they certainly don't get me as frustrated as mac users. Just my personal experience.

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Dear Wugfresh

Thank you for your well intended reply, however I disagree. I don't want to get into a struggle here, but I stand behind my statements.

First, I didn't talk down Mozilla, in fact I was complimenting them.

Second, you think I didn't ask questions or looked things up? Trust me, I spent hours and long over-nights trying to find these answers...getting misdirection and old info constantly. It's easy for you now, but trust me as a "newbie" it is VERY difficult to get a straight answer to anything. ( I'm speaking or the internet and mulitple forums online, not specifcally to this one)

As for questions....probably half my questions were met with derision and scorn, or I received answers that I couldn't possible understand. I have not been treated well by the Android community (though most of this occurred in other forums, that's why I'm here)

Third...I understand your point about the themes...however if you see a picture of something on a box, buy it and what's inside is half that...you'd be fairly pissed. That's all I'm saying....it would be helpful to see what you're getting, not all the nice stuff you're not..but that's a minor point. The designers and developers work really hard and are proud of their work and I appreciate it.

Last...Trust me when I say I followed those steps as you described every time...and installing EVERYTHING is not that simple. Especially when we're talking about the installation of your apps and system data. For example, MIUI you should never reinstall system data, but on most other ROMs you can or should. One ROM wants you to use Titanium Backup, another says not to (so is that a choice or instruction? They don't say). Some ROMs are one file, some are two or more. and I'm not just talking about installing a ROM either...updates and themes all have their quirks. Some authors provide 4 or 5 files, with little description for them. Are they all to be installed? Are some just the wallpapers? Is one just an update and the other one complete?

I'm trying to be helpful and hopefully improve things for others by mentioning these things...not trying to be negative or nasty. Sometimes when we all become very experienced in something, we forget what new people do and don't know, or what access to resources they have. With the really bad experiences I've had so far in this world, most people would have reinstalled the stock ROM and walked away without saying anything.

If you wish to know more or continue the conversation, I'd be happy to in a more private setting than in the forums...for me I've said what I need to publicly.

Gary (AKA Spikness)
 
Thank you for your well intended reply, however I disagree. I don't want to get into a struggle here, but I stand behind my statements.

First, I didn't talk down Mozilla, in fact I was complimenting them.

Second, you think I didn't ask questions or looked things up? Trust me, I spent hours and long over-nights trying to find these answers...getting misdirection and old info constantly. It's easy for you now, but trust me as a "newbie" it is VERY difficult to get a straight answer to anything. ( I'm speaking or the internet and mulitple forums online, not specifcally to this one)

As for questions....probably half my questions were met with derision and scorn, or I received answers that I couldn't possible understand. I have not been treated well by the Android community (though most of this occurred in other forums, that's why I'm here)

Third...I understand your point about the themes...however if you see a picture of something on a box, buy it and what's inside is half that...you'd be fairly pissed. That's all I'm saying....it would be helpful to see what you're getting, not all the nice stuff you're not..but that's a minor point. The designers and developers work really hard and are proud of their work and I appreciate it.

Last...Trust me when I say I followed those steps as you described every time...and installing EVERYTHING is not that simple. Especially when we're talking about the installation of your apps and system data. For example, MIUI you should never reinstall system data, but on most other ROMs you can or should. One ROM wants you to use Titanium Backup, another says not to (so is that a choice or instruction? They don't say). Some ROMs are one file, some are two or more. and I'm not just talking about installing a ROM either...updates and themes all have their quirks. Some authors provide 4 or 5 files, with little description for them. Are they all to be installed? Are some just the wallpapers? Is one just an update and the other one complete?

I'm trying to be helpful and hopefully improve things for others by mentioning these things...not trying to be negative or nasty. Sometimes when we all become very experienced in something, we forget what new people do and don't know, or what access to resources they have. With the really bad experiences I've had so far in this world, most people would have reinstalled the stock ROM and walked away without saying anything.

If you wish to know more or continue the conversation, I'd be happy to in a more private setting than in the forums...for me I've said what I need to publicly.

Gary (AKA Spikness)

That's cool. I guess I just didn't realize that you have had such a bad experience. I am usually over on DXF and I spend a LOT of time catering to less experienced users and their many questions. Furthermore, I always try to be nice and helpful because that is exactly what I want if I ever need to ask a question. And if I ever asked a direct question and were responded to with animosity... that would surely piss me off. I guess you just started off in a crappy environment.. I am sorry to hear that.

I will never chastise you for asking a question, or be mean to you in any way, nor will I ever lash out at any individual who asks me to clarify something. Users who just use forums to be mean to people have no business on the forum in the first place. I have rarely experienced this regarding the android community so I guess I was quick to pass judgement and tell you just to ask more questions... this obviously hasn't been the case for you so I am sorry.

I would suggest to ignore those that are mean and unhelpful...and realize that they are using the forum for their own purpose... not for others. Ignore those people. Please restore your faith in the android community and do so by asking as many questions as you feel you have and starting positive and helpful thread on this forum and others. Do not let a few bad apples get in your way... forget about those people. The android community is here to help you and would be more than happy to alleviate any of your technical stress.... you just have to find the right outlet I guess. The other places you were at were probably just the wrongs place to be. Glad to hear that you have already found this forum to be more helpful. I hope that your experience changes for the better.

Sorry if you thought I was being harsh or something. I honestly just got a little annoyed because it seemed wildly off topic and a very over arching stereotypical judgment on all experienced users... I guess I just took some minor offense and felt the need to defend my position on those comments. If you have been having a ruff time on other forums.. then I understand why you would say that... I guess I just thought it was strange because it didn't seem to be in direct response to anything and kind of came out of nowhere... that's all. Either way... good luck to you sir.

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I agree that iTunes is now an epic fail. I purposely bought a non-apple mp3 player simply because iTunes was downright stupid. That being said I've seen some good things from them. I used to work for Geek Squad and I saw more broken iPhones than anything. I personally hate the screen and the fact that iPhones aren't as PC compatible. If you're a Mac junkie though, go for it.

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How is iTunes a fail? I've been using it for years. I have 10 days worth of music stored on my Mac and iTunes does a great job of managing them. Now I use it to back up and update my iPad.

You just say things like "epiic fail" but you don't give a single reason why. you just hate to hate because that's what all the "cool" android kids do.

I'm not gonna say that iTunes is an epic fail but i am gonna say i don't like it at all. If you buy an ipod or a iphone you have no choice in the matter of using iTunes. Its either use iTunes or dont interface your device with your PC. I think this act in itself is an evil thing to do. Its the fact of control...

And that's where I stopped reading. Starting since the near beginning of this thread have been many comments against being forced to use iTunes to interface with their iPod/iPhone. Apple didn't force anyone to use iTunes, if you used it and are still complaining then you probably haven't put as much time into finding alternatives as you have at doing so for your Android phone. I'm not defending Apple, but it is somewhat alarming to continually read statement against them because someone doesn't like a particulare interfacing software. That said, I used iTunes for the first 2 months of owning my iPod before discovering FLOOLA. I've pasted below from their website all that FLOOLA can do, which trumps iTunes in so many ways you'll wonder why you didn't switch long time ago.

The only reason iTunes is installed on my computer is because my wife uses it to purchase songs she likes. I'm working on showing her the benefit of going to Beemp3.com - MP3 Search & Free MP3 Downloads first before buying anything. It's free with no need to register.

But I digress. Here is a list of FLOOLA's feature list:

Cross plattform
Works on any Windows (98 and above), any Mac and any linux distribution with GTK installed.

Portable

Put the application on iPod and launch it on any PC, immediately.

Copy

add and extract songs to and from iPod.

Playlists

Easily manage, import and export (m3u, pls) playlists.

Last.fm

Join the social music revolution.

Podcasts

Join the social music revolution.

Web videos

add files to iPod just copying the page url


Localization
Available in different languages.

Lyrics

Lyric support even on older iPods (3G and above).

Search for duplicates

Easily find duplicated songs on iPod.

Search lost files

Easily find songs lost in your iPod.

Artwork

Add artwork to your songs easily.

Videos

Videos can be added to iPod.

Convert

Convert audio and video incompatible formats

Google Calendars

Synchronize them easily


Export to HTML
Create HTML files containing list of your iPod files

Fix iPod

Did a software mess up your iPod? Fix it!

Notes

Manage notes.

Growl support

(Mac version only) Get beautiful system notifications.

Snarl support

(Windows version only) Get beautiful system notifications.

Music

Play iPod’s music.

Photos

Freedom to simply add photos to iPod.


Thanks, everyone, for your time.
JT
 
Yeah.... I used MediaMonkey when I had one... but no third party application can sync your iWhatever's apps. You still need software that syncs with your iTunes account... that's the problem.

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CC tools can be used on any desktop environment, but on mobile phones the only phone to have a very easy and fast compiling capabilities is the iPhone. And the iPhone is different from am iPod because it's flash memory cannot be mounted from a windows computer, or any computer until it's jailbroken. They lock the NAND.


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Wug, you're being VERY disingenuous about Mac users. To classify them as all "computer noobs" and technically inept could not be any farther off base if you tried. In fact, many of THE most technically capable people I know are partial to Mac. By far. You're letting your blind hatred of Apple taint your vision.

But I digress. This is bordering on branching into a pissing contest and I would really like for it to come back on track now. And I will say this, I HIGHLY recommend the comments and implications about the intelligence of Apple users stop now. I am quite serious about that.

And yes, I use Apple, and Windows, and Android.
 
Yeah.... I used MediaMonkey when I had one... but no third party application can sync your iWhatever's apps. You still need software that syncs with your iTunes account... that's the problem.

{{ WugFresh }}

For apps you can use 3rd party application management from the phone, like download them from google on the phone and install via a IPA manager. But thats in no way a method of not paying for apps, just a way to download apps that are already free from the app store.


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Wug, you're being VERY disingenuous about Mac users. To classify them as all "computer noobs" and technically inept could not be any farther off base if you tried. In fact, many of THE most technically capable people I know are partial to Mac. By far. You're letting your blind hatred of Apple taint your vision.

But I digress. This is bordering on branching into a pissing contest and I would really like for it to come back on track now. And I will say this, I HIGHLY recommend the comments and implications about the intelligence of Apple users stop now. I am quite serious about that.

And yes, I use Apple, and Windows, and Android.

Being bias to a company is pointless, by being bias your just doing exactly what they want. Sometimes people are so loyal to a company they're blind to something even better.


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Wug, you're being VERY disingenuous about Mac users. To classify them as all "computer noobs" and technically inept could not be any farther off base if you tried. In fact, many of THE most technically capable people I know are partial to Mac. By far. You're letting your blind hatred of Apple taint your vision.

But I digress. This is bordering on branching into a pissing contest and I would really like for it to come back on track now. And I will say this, I HIGHLY recommend the comments and implications about the intelligence of Apple users stop now. I am quite serious about that.

And yes, I use Apple, and Windows, and Android.

Being bias to a company is pointless, by being bias your just doing exactly what they want. Sometimes people are so loyal to a company they're blind to something even better.


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Pretty much, as I said earlier, I true technophile appreciates all technology. Regardless of branding.
 
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