hahahah...define "a lot" because you'd have to know 400,000 people who did this to even know 1% of the people who bought an iPhone last year...hahaha what a joke you are.
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hahahah...define "a lot" because you'd have to know 400,000 people who did this to even know 1% of the people who bought an iPhone last year...hahaha what a joke you are.
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#9. I have one, what do you think is wrong with it?
It works great, has a faster browser then any Android phone (as it should!).
It's definitely not perfect but it's a good device. I like mine a lot.
See it appears that the fan boy may be you. If you're not a fan boy then you can keep your mind open for both Apple and Android.
The problem with the iPad is that it was rushed to market and the masses embraced it. The unit lacks everything that the iPad should be and which the iPad 2 will be, read as iPod 4 w/ a 10" screen. Apple will push this out, call it magical and people will flock to it. Doubt me? The iPad should have had a front cam, 512 Meg RAM and a rear camera which is EXACTLY what the iPod 4 has and the next iPad will have. Apple will call it revolutionary and charge a mint for it and the sheep will follow. This has been, is and always will be Apple's M.O. They release half-baked products in the initial life cycle and then run people over with their "upgrades". Motorola has done similar with the Droid2 vs. the Droid. Now ask yourself something. How many people dropped their Droids and ran out and got a Droid2? Now ask yourself how many people dropped their iPhone 3G for an iPhone 3GS or for that matter will run out and do the same when the iPad2 comes out?
Hopefully I have clarified this some. It's NOT the products I have a problem with. It's the method and mentality of Apple, Uncle Steve and the cult that follows his every "magical" LIKE A UNICORN! word.
what company doesn't do this? has there EVER been any product from a phone to a friggin vaccum cleaner that required one version and everyone was happy with it?? hahaaa...seriously dude, its just going from nonsense to fanboyism to blatant foolishness with you.
what phone do you have? do you plan on keeping it forever because its perfect? nothing can be done to improve it? what a foolish statement (but coming from you i'd be more surprised if it wasnt foolish)...
Forever? No. Until a suitable replacement comes along that offers more. Yes. A Tegra 2 based unit with 512 meg to 1 Gig RAM, LTE (not a necessity), front and rear cameras and 4" - 4.3" screen. So unlike those that rushed to the stores and stood in line for an upgraded antenna from the iPhone to the iPhone 3G I will wait until an actual piece of hardware drops that satisfies the pre-requisites of a next generation device and not being claimed as one like Apple so often does.
As for being a fanboy, no. I LIKE the iPhone 4 from a hardware perspective. I despise the company, Uncle Steve and his cult of personality. I also can't stand the limitations that iOS has for what is supposed to be a modern mobile OS. If I could get the iPhone 4 hardware and put Android or WebOS 2.0 on it I would be giddy.
The problem with the iPad is that it was rushed to market and the masses embraced it. The unit lacks everything that the iPad should be and which the iPad 2 will be, read as iPod 4 w/ a 10" screen. Apple will push this out, call it magical and people will flock to it. Doubt me? The iPad should have had a front cam, 512 Meg RAM and a rear camera which is EXACTLY what the iPod 4 has and the next iPad will have. Apple will call it revolutionary and charge a mint for it and the sheep will follow. This has been, is and always will be Apple's M.O. They release half-baked products in the initial life cycle and then run people over with their "upgrades". Motorola has done similar with the Droid2 vs. the Droid. Now ask yourself something. How many people dropped their Droids and ran out and got a Droid2? Now ask yourself how many people dropped their iPhone 3G for an iPhone 3GS or for that matter will run out and do the same when the iPad2 comes out?
Hopefully I have clarified this some. It's NOT the products I have a problem with. It's the method and mentality of Apple, Uncle Steve and the cult that follows his every "magical" LIKE A UNICORN! word.
what company doesn't do this? has there EVER been any product from a phone to a friggin vaccum cleaner that required one version and everyone was happy with it?? hahaaa...seriously dude, its just going from nonsense to fanboyism to blatant foolishness with you.
what phone do you have? do you plan on keeping it forever because its perfect? nothing can be done to improve it? what a foolish statement (but coming from you i'd be more surprised if it wasnt foolish)...
Forever? No. Until a suitable replacement comes along that offers more. Yes. A Tegra 2 based unit with 512 meg to 1 Gig RAM, LTE (not a necessity), front and rear cameras and 4" - 4.3" screen. So unlike those that rushed to the stores and stood in line for an upgraded antenna from the iPhone to the iPhone 3G I will wait until an actual piece of hardware drops that satisfies the pre-requisites of a next generation device and not being claimed as one like Apple so often does.
As for being a fanboy, no. I LIKE the iPhone 4 from a hardware perspective. I despise the company, Uncle Steve and his cult of personality. I also can't stand the limitations that iOS has for what is supposed to be a modern mobile OS. If I could get the iPhone 4 hardware and put Android or WebOS 2.0 on it I would be giddy.
You sound like a fanboy. You've flip flopped this entire thread. And it's clear your basing your opinion (yes opinion) on the 20 or so people that you know with an Android phone haha...believe it or not...the few people that share your close minded beliefs are not the majority. you sound like some of the kids on here who feel like devs have to release ROMs for them, like they're the most important thing in the world.
To suggest that people will stick with a phone that they're miserable with is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Yes, marketing helps sell the iPhone but if you're suggesting that its a horrible phone and people are sticking with it just because its an iPhone, then yes...you're a fanboy. I'd give you more respect if you'd just come out and admit your a fanboy instead of saying foolish things like "I know a lot of people"...how many do you really know? hahah....it's just unbelievable that you say the things you do, and inconceivable that you seem to believe it.
Oooh goodie! FRESH MEAT! You may be the exception to the generalizations I am making, we'll see. The majority though fit perfectly into my stereotypical iPhone owner.
I didn't need a physical keyboard. I had grown accustomed to typing with the virtual keyboard. So my options were immediately narrowed to the iPhone, Droid X, Droid Incredible, and Fascinate. The EVO was not an option as Sprint was not an acceptable carrier for me. Previous bad experience.
Size is an issue. The Droid X is too big for my hands (I'm only 5'6".) It felt awkward holding, and it was a bit of a stretch hitting the keys in the middle of the keyboard while in landscape mode.
Battery life was the next most important consideration. I rely heavily on push e-mail from my company's exchange server. I text like crazy, and when I'm sitting at my desk prepping tax returns, I have earbuds in playing music. I need a device that can comfortably go the distance. Given all the complaints I've seen on this forum regarding the Incredible, that made it an easy disqualification.
So I took to the Google with my focus narrowed to the Fascinate and the iPhone. Over at GSM Arena, there are two articles on the iPhone and Fascinate. The iPhone cruised in the continuous video play, but the simulated real word tests suggested the fascinate was almost a full 24 hours more of battery usage. But the tests aren't that similar. The iPhone was used for 40 minutes of gaming versus 30 minutes of GPS, and an extra hour of browsing and pictures over the Fascinate. Furthermore neither tested push Exchange, and my biggest complaint with Android is the e-mail client is stupidly inefficient at it. My Droid repeated took a pounding with 10-13% of battery usage during the day going just to the e-mail client. K-9 mail never worked for me, and TouchDown is too frickin expensive, especially for something that should be supported out of the box. Suffice to say, I gave the battery metrics a wash.
Hardware-wise, I couldn't reproduce the death grip on the model I held in the store, but had done it previously on a friend's phone who got his the week they came out. Antennagate was no issue for me since I couldn't re-produce it anymore, I don't need a removable battery, and neither phone looks more stylish than the other.
Software then became the next measure for me. I bank with Chase, and they don't have an Android app. They've got a pretty nice one for the iPhone though. In the limited in-store time I had with the iPhone before purchasing it, the apps I tried on the iPhone were far and away much higher quality than the Android equivalent. ESPN ScoreCenter blows SportsTap out of the water, multi touch (especially pinch and zoom in the browser) was far more fluid on the iPhone. I've had a couple of iPods throughout the years, so I've got a pretty good size iTunes library that I've built up, and since that's been my media play for some time now, it's simply so much easier to sync it with an iPhone. I bought iSyncr, but found it to be annoyingly tedious to use. Download the app, have it save the .exe to my SD card, plug in the phone, mount the SD, launch the exe, then tell it to sync everything.
But most importantly: the walled garden is a better fit for me than the haphazard, laissez faire Android market. I don't have to worry checking permissions on an app before installing it. A lot of the information that comes through my corporate e-mail is personal and confidential information from my clients such as EINs for their partnerships, S and C corps, and social security numbers. It's a huge security risk for me. The walled garden helps me protect not only myself but my clients as well.
Haha...someone is grossly overestimating the brand value of IOS. IOS on other devices would sell a fraction, at best, of the IPhone. People aren't buying IPhones for IOS and no one is debating that. There can only be 1 IPhone.
And if hardware/service provider really is the point of differentiation then you'd see a lot of those sales cannibalizing AT&T IPhone - which is precisely what we are going to see if and when VZW gets an IPhone.
There's a big difference in the consumer here. A high % of IPhone users have upgraded multiple times. A lot of original D1 users out there still waiting for a material improvement in hardware before upgrading. The thing IPhone did really well, from a strategic perspective, is get people to pay for marginal upgrades every year. The rest of the cell phone world, and largely even Android, wait for their 2-yr promos. Of course, if you buy the IPhone as a status symbol it kind of defeats the purpose if you don't have the latest and greatest.
And if hardware/service provider really is the point of differentiation then you'd see a lot of those sales cannibalizing AT&T IPhone - which is precisely what we are going to see if and when VZW gets an IPhone.
There's a big difference in the consumer here. A high % of IPhone users have upgraded multiple times. A lot of original D1 users out there still waiting for a material improvement in hardware before upgrading. The thing IPhone did really well, from a strategic perspective, is get people to pay for marginal upgrades every year. The rest of the cell phone world, and largely even Android, wait for their 2-yr promos. Of course, if you buy the IPhone as a status symbol it kind of defeats the purpose if you don't have the latest and greatest.
Haha...someone is grossly overestimating the brand value of IOS. IOS on other devices would sell a fraction, at best, of the IPhone. People aren't buying IPhones for IOS and no one is debating that. There can only be 1 IPhone.
And if hardware/service provider really is the point of differentiation then you'd see a lot of those sales cannibalizing AT&T IPhone - which is precisely what we are going to see if and when VZW gets an IPhone.
There's a big difference in the consumer here. A high % of IPhone users have upgraded multiple times. A lot of original D1 users out there still waiting for a material improvement in hardware before upgrading. The thing IPhone did really well, from a strategic perspective, is get people to pay for marginal upgrades every year. The rest of the cell phone world, and largely even Android, wait for their 2-yr promos. Of course, if you buy the IPhone as a status symbol it kind of defeats the purpose if you don't have the latest and greatest.
lemme guess...you also know "a lot" of people who are not satisfied by their iphone and are just being forced to upgrade their miserable phone so they can maintain their status among their peers right? hahahaaa....i must say, i thought i was having an actual debate with you and darkseider. when i realized you two were fanboys, it just became entertainment. do go on...lol
lemme guess...you also know "a lot" of people who are not satisfied by their iphone and are just being forced to upgrade their miserable phone so they can maintain their status among their peers right? hahahaaa....i must say, i thought i was having an actual debate with you and darkseider. when i realized you two were fanboys, it just became entertainment. do go on...lol
Ummm, it's called "upgrade" sales figures, a number that is 70-80% and cited frequently in articles. And, yes, I do know a number of IPhone users who upgrade every year but have never said anything about them being unsatisfied. I think I've said most Android and IPhone users are completely satisified and there will be very little switching.
The only fanboy here is the one who can't see it's IPhone and not IOS that people are crazy about. You don't understand the first thing about marketing, branding and strategy or you'd never even be trying to talk hypotheticals of IOS on multiple "devices". But that's ok, you'll see this firsthand if and when IPhone comes to VZW and Android continues to grow.
lemme guess...you also know "a lot" of people who are not satisfied by their iphone and are just being forced to upgrade their miserable phone so they can maintain their status among their peers right? hahahaaa....i must say, i thought i was having an actual debate with you and darkseider. when i realized you two were fanboys, it just became entertainment. do go on...lol
Ummm, it's called "upgrade" sales figures, a number that is 70-80% and cited frequently in articles. And, yes, I do know a number of IPhone users who upgrade every year but have never said anything about them being unsatisfied. I think I've said most Android and IPhone users are completely satisified and there will be very little switching.
The only fanboy here is the one who can't see it's IPhone and not IOS that people are crazy about. You don't understand the first thing about marketing, branding and strategy or you'd never even be trying to talk hypotheticals of IOS on multiple "devices". But that's ok, you'll see this firsthand if and when IPhone comes to VZW and Android continues to grow.
lol now you're teaching me marketing and branding hahaa...the hits just keep on coming. you and darkseider should go on a comedy tour, i'd pay to watch you guys.
what is iPhone? a phone right? a brand right? what makes people crazy about iPhone? How moronic do you have to be to say that if iOS was a crappy operating system, that people would continue to buy it just because it's iPhone? and you're telling me about marketing? hahahahah....so in your world, i can release a crappy product, market it well and then pull the wool over the consumers eyes for years? bwahahaha....i'd love to read your textbooks on marketing, cuz they sound hilarious
iPhone is a brand, but what makes it a respected brand is that its a good phone. people are reeled in by the marketing and stay with it and continue to buy it because the operating system is better then any other one out there in terms of simplicity and functionality. i can't get over the fact that you're suggesting that it's just the name, and nothing ELSE WHATSOEVER thats keeping people with AT&T hahahaha....you've taken android fanboyism to levels never previously before seen.
what is iPhone? a phone right? a brand right? what makes people crazy about iPhone? How moronic do you have to be to say that if iOS was a crappy operating system, that people would continue to buy it just because it's iPhone?
Where have I said IOS isn't a good OS? That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the real brand value lays with IPhone and not IOS, that is not saying IOS isn't a good OS.
And, yes, someone obviously failed in teaching you marketing and branding because the concept of EXCLUSIVITY eludes you.
If IOS is such a powerful factor in consumer purchases, then I'll leave you with a few questions to ponder:
1) license IOS for $100 and lose $100 on the phone when consumers purchase another mfr's device. Break-even proposition, where's the incentive for Apple?
2) but WAIT you say, that's $100 they instead make off a purchase that otherwise goes to Android. OK, now think about the cell mfr who has to charge $100 more to make the same margin on the phone. Where's the incentive? Is IOS worth $100 more to the consumer? Not a chance, IOS on an IPhone is clearly worth $100 more for SOME consumers, but that's more about marketing with an OS that's marginally better at some things vs. Android and a phone that lags on tech specs vs. many Android phones.
3) How much of the IPhone value proposition is related to IOS? To the extent that is significant, you water-down the value of your brand by making that IOS available on other devices. Apple does not and has never gone that route.
Also, since you like to believe we aren't arguing with facts, read this article:
77% of iPhone 4 sales were upgrades - Apple 2.0 - Fortune Tech
I'll highlight the first few lines which pretty much says it all (side note: 3% of users had an Android phone prior - that number is huge!!!):
77% of iPhone 4 sales were upgrades
Posted by Philip Elmer-DeWitt
June 25, 2010 5:16 AM
Apple has built a recurring revenue stream from a growing base of loyal users
i can't get over the fact that you're suggesting that it's just the name, and nothing ELSE WHATSOEVER thats keeping people with AT&T hahahaha....you've taken android fanboyism to levels never previously before seen.
Again, where have I said such a thing? IPhone users are loyal and mostly satisfied with their phones. Android users also tend to be satsified, but they have many more options on phones. There is not and will not be a lot of switching between OS. Despite your attempts to claim otherwise, both are good OS's that do some things marginally better than the other, one is not superior to the other beyond being a consumer preference as such. The switching costs to the consumer are not insignificant.
I mean, the IPhone and IOS are good, I've said that repeatedly. But I did have to laugh at IP4 users who were giddy over finally getting folders which, of course, was stock on the Droid a full 9 months earlier.
The article I linked in the above post makes an excellent point that is elluding you: Apple has built a recurring revenue stream of loyal users. It's inconceivable that they would threaten that position through cannibalizing those recurring sales by licensing IOS.
Again, look at Mac sales. Apple resurgence in the past decade has been driven by wowing or being perfect for a relatively small % of the market it serves extremely well, and by leveraging dominance in markets that it was the early leader (Ipod, smartphone, etc...). But one-size fits all is not a long-term market dominance strategy. Which brings us back to margins, and Apple has consistently chosen to target the high-margin segments where it can get charge a premium for what amounts to a bundled package of hardware and software. And the ability to charge that premium stems from, in no small part, the brand and status established with marketing and exclusivity. It all goes hand-in-hand.
In no way have I denigrated Apple, I'm just pointing out their strategy and choices they've made, and from a business perspective it's been brilliant execution. Obviously they could have offered choice in device, but why haven't they? Apple has made huge profits from innovation and dominating early stage markets, but what you can't seem to grasp is their strategy is to take and retain a dominant position in high margin segments as markets mature where competition commoditizes the overall market and significantly reduces margins. They do not dilute their brand by offering lower priced/lower margin devices to appeal to the broader market.
Where have I said IOS isn't a good OS? That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the real brand value lays with IPhone and not IOS, that is not saying IOS isn't a good OS.
And, yes, someone obviously failed in teaching you marketing and branding because the concept of EXCLUSIVITY eludes you.
If IOS is such a powerful factor in consumer purchases, then I'll leave you with a few questions to ponder:
1) license IOS for $100 and lose $100 on the phone when consumers purchase another mfr's device. Break-even proposition, where's the incentive for Apple?
2) but WAIT you say, that's $100 they instead make off a purchase that otherwise goes to Android. OK, now think about the cell mfr who has to charge $100 more to make the same margin on the phone. Where's the incentive? Is IOS worth $100 more to the consumer? Not a chance, IOS on an IPhone is clearly worth $100 more for SOME consumers, but that's more about marketing with an OS that's marginally better at some things vs. Android and a phone that lags on tech specs vs. many Android phones.
3) How much of the IPhone value proposition is related to IOS? To the extent that is significant, you water-down the value of your brand by making that IOS available on other devices. Apple does not and has never gone that route.
Also, since you like to believe we aren't arguing with facts, read this article:
77% of iPhone 4 sales were upgrades - Apple 2.0 - Fortune Tech
I'll highlight the first few lines which pretty much says it all (side note: 3% of users had an Android phone prior - that number is huge!!!):
77% of iPhone 4 sales were upgrades
Posted by Philip Elmer-DeWitt
June 25, 2010 5:16 AM
Apple has built a recurring revenue stream from a growing base of loyal users
what you fail to realize (and continue to fail to realize) is that success doesn't just come from branding and marketing. if it did, iphone would be an epic fail. the reason they sell is because people think "iphone i have to have that!!!" without knowing anything about the phone, about specs, about comparisons to android...what they do know is people moonwalk in the commercials and that "there's an app for that"...and then when they get said iphone they upgrade it because it's a good phone. it's not empty marketing. their not marketing a piece of crap that has no value other then its brand. its unfathomable that you fail to see how marketing and good products go together. you can market a crappy product all you want and its not going to sell and if the marketing does make you buy it, you're not going to continue to buy it year in and year out. it's an insult to iphone users for you to even say that (which is why you're labeled a fanboy)...they're not morons who are brainwashed by "uncle steve" or whatever else you fanboys call him...you admit that ios is a good OS, and that iphone has good brand and marketing, so where are you making the assumption that android is suddenly going to steamroll?
oh is it your 97% of people were new users!!! Think about that before you tout that as some epic statistic. android just put itself on the map recently as a viable option for someone who doesn't want an iphone. so of course 97%!!!!!1 of the people are going to be new users. let's see how many percent are new users next year? or the year after? i mean you cant seriously think 97% of "sales" are going to be new users in two years for android? that a sudden influx of new users is going to come in and the upgrades are going to be like 3% of sales?? i'm sorry but android is great, but it's not going to turn itself around and make 97% of its sales new users especially if an iphone comes to verizon. if you think that, again, you're a fanboy who's ignoring all reason and facts. android will be in the same boat as iphone where 70-80% will be upgrades and 20-30 will be new users. so, no...android is not going to steamroll anything.
kodiak799 said:Apple has built a recurring revenue stream from a growing base of loyal users
I have to ask again, do you honestly think Android/Google/Verizon is going to build a recurring revenue stream from a growing base of new users forever? I pray that you don't, because your irrelevance will reach a new high if you do. Every company has loyal users, and Google is going to have loyal users. Why are these stats even being mentioned? A sale is a sale. Doesn't matter if it's an upgrade or not. Find me one company that doesn't have loyal users and I'll shut up. Your irrelevant stats mean nothing.
your arguments (every single one) are baseless and nonsensical. to admit that apple has good marketing but deny that their good product is the reason people stay loyal to them is odd. to say that their sales are based purely on "iPhone!" and not on anything else is dumb. To somehow diminish upgrades as not really "sales" is foolish. To suggest that Android won't be in the same boat in a couple of years makes no sense. And if you are saying that they will be in the same boat, then you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
I can't wait for 2010 when Google announces that 97% of its sales are new users...stand up comedy man...do it...you'll make millions.
i can't get over the fact that you're suggesting that it's just the name, and nothing ELSE WHATSOEVER thats keeping people with AT&T hahahaha....you've taken android fanboyism to levels never previously before seen.
Again, where have I said such a thing? IPhone users are loyal and mostly satisfied with their phones. Android users also tend to be satsified, but they have many more options on phones. There is not and will not be a lot of switching between OS. Despite your attempts to claim otherwise, both are good OS's that do some things marginally better than the other, one is not superior to the other beyond being a consumer preference as such. The switching costs to the consumer are not insignificant.
I mean, the IPhone and IOS are good, I've said that repeatedly. But I did have to laugh at IP4 users who were giddy over finally getting folders which, of course, was stock on the Droid a full 9 months earlier.
The article I linked in the above post makes an excellent point that is elluding you: Apple has built a recurring revenue stream of loyal users. It's inconceivable that they would threaten that position through cannibalizing those recurring sales by licensing IOS.
Again, look at Mac sales. Apple resurgence in the past decade has been driven by wowing or being perfect for a relatively small % of the market it serves extremely well, and by leveraging dominance in markets that it was the early leader (Ipod, smartphone, etc...). But one-size fits all is not a long-term market dominance strategy. Which brings us back to margins, and Apple has consistently chosen to target the high-margin segments where it can get charge a premium for what amounts to a bundled package of hardware and software. And the ability to charge that premium stems from, in no small part, the brand and status established with marketing and exclusivity. It all goes hand-in-hand.
In no way have I denigrated Apple, I'm just pointing out their strategy and choices they've made, and from a business perspective it's been brilliant execution. Obviously they could have offered choice in device, but why haven't they? Apple has made huge profits from innovation and dominating early stage markets, but what you can't seem to grasp is their strategy is to take and retain a dominant position in high margin segments as markets mature where competition commoditizes the overall market and significantly reduces margins. They do not dilute their brand by offering lower priced/lower margin devices to appeal to the broader market.
you keep talking about these multiple ios "devices" as if i think apple is going to start dropping iPhone Incredible and iPhone X next year. I mentioned multiple devices as a point to prove that if they had multiple variations of the iPhone it would outsell Android. And it would. You're telling me people wouldn't buy a 4" screen iPhone? or an iPhone with a keyboard? Yes...this is hypothetical...stop telling me about Apple's plan of attack and what they've done for the last billion years. I said it to make a point. you rebutted with "people buy the iphone because its an iphone, ios has nothing to do with it"...which is dumb.
What are you arguing? stop beating around the bush and say what it is youre trying to argue? that android is going to steamroll apple in a couple of years? how? how do you propose that will happen? it's not going too..
people like the iphone just as much as people like android devices (wait no they don't...they like it more than they do android devices)...they're going to stay loyal to them. they're not going to be swayed by things like "Open source!!!!!111 Customize!!!!111 1GHz processor!!!!!" if you like something you're going to stick with it. And yes, apple's marketing is the best marketing out there. so even if you dont know anything about the phone, you're going to buy it before you buy an android. how can you argue that? suddenly, consumers are going to become educated en masse and revolt against apple? haha...really?
what's going to happen is nothing is going to change...android is not going to dethrone apple and abolish its existence. the best that android can hope for is to outsell the iphone in the US, which could very well happen because there'll be like 80 devices for people to choose from. if the iphone goes to vzw, i don't even see that happening.
you're not going to wake up in 2012 and read about android's 1000M sales last year and apple falling below Palm. Apple is going nowhere, anytime soon. If they get outsold by Android, it will be a very minimal number of units, and once a 4g iphone drops apple will be on top again.
you can't seriously think that Google is sitting around going "whew we made it! the apple threat is officially mitigated. In a couple of years we should be the mobile masters!!!" Google knows android is not as good as apple, and apple knows that too. android has far more many things to improve on then apple does. you've admitted that apple has brilliant execution in their business strategy, so what makes you think they're just sitting back and not preparing for the android threat? what makes you think they're going to get lackadaisical and say "oh well, we were on top for 3 years, let them have this one"...1 size doesn't fit all, but it has worked for them so far because they have the most polished product. until their os starts lagging and force closing they're going to continue to keep their users. android doesn't offer the stability that iOS does, or the simplicity. you are in denial if you say it does...(see fanboy)
what you fail to realize (and continue to fail to realize) is that success doesn't just come from branding and marketing. if it did, iphone would be an epic fail. the reason they sell is because people think "iphone i have to have that!!!" without knowing anything about the phone, about specs, about comparisons to android...
LOL, where have I shown that I don't understand that extremely well? You continue to overrate this effect. Because the simple and obvious fact is everyone doesn't have to have the IPhone and, in fact, are making other choices. Millions are buying Android. Millions more don't even have smartphones. That's part of a maturing market that becomes commoditized that IPhone has little interest in competing for.
you keep talking about these multiple ios "devices" as if i think apple is going to start dropping iPhone Incredible and iPhone X next year. I mentioned multiple devices as a point to prove that if they had multiple variations of the iPhone it would outsell Android. And it would. You're telling me people wouldn't buy a 4" screen iPhone?
LOL, the only fanboy here is you. You keep contradicting yourself. In one post, you say "people have to have the IPhone" and in another you claim "if there were multiple variations it would outsell Android". Do you not see the inherent flaw in your logic there? The logical implication of multiple devices is it significantly cannabolizes IP4 sales, i.e. the people who "have to have the IPhone" opt for the 4" model instead of the original.
Again, if this is such an obvious and brilliant insight on your part, why hasn't Apple gone this route? The overly simple explanation is more doesn't mean better, and if you understood the strategy you might have a clue as to why.
What are you arguing? stop beating around the bush and say what it is youre trying to argue? that android is going to steamroll apple in a couple of years? how? how do you propose that will happen? it's not going too..
Spinning around in a backpedal now? The point that has been made repeatedly here is that Android is gaining huge shares of the market. You're response to that has been "nu-uh, no, IOS is better and would dominate if it was available on multiple devices". Despite the fact that your argument is a non-starter because IOS is not available and will not be available on multiple devices any time soon, it's also a failed premise that there's this huge mass of people who "have to have the IPhone" who have somehow gone years without caving into that overwhelming desire.
Android is not going to technically steamroll the IPhone, but as the market continues to grow and mature Android is going to capture a greater portion of those new users, primarily because IPhone is not trying to be all things to all people. And the sales data backs that up - IPhone's sweet spot is repeat sales to a very loyal customer base while new smartphone users are flocking to Android. Apple could try to compete there, but they aren't going to because, among other reasons, it would devalue their brand and hurt their margins.
And the most obvious issue here is Google is disruptive technology. Android is free and open. Basic business sense says you don't try to compete with something that is free, which is why Apple will do nothing to jeopardize the IPhone position as a premium device or it's position as a status symbol. Licensing IOS is almost a given that it won't occur for years, if at all. The problem with multiple devices is it adds complexity, which leads to issues - also not good because you can't be the premium device if you have quality problems.
This growing mass of new smartphone users are going to increasingly choose Android based on, among other things, price. You can't ignore that simple fact even while you want to pretend there aren't perfectly valid reasons people choose Android if all else were equal (also clearly not the case). The people who "have to have" the IPhone already have an IPhone, for the most part. As the smartphone market continues to grow, price will become an increasingly dominant factor in the purchase decision, especially as the phones become more of a commodity along with differences in OS being very marginal to begin with.
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