Android: The new king of the mobile castle

[czerdrill]

i cant disagree with that, and choice is the reason i chose android an will remain with android forever. but i just dont see the average consumer caring about such things when its "vs the iphone". but again, we'll have to see. the damn phone has not even been announced yet and i've been arguing back and forth for the past 3 days haha...the only thing we can do is wait and see.

i do have a question though...why do people continue to say that it's going to be the same device no matter what? i'm not trying to be stupid, i'm asking because i truly just dont understand. has apple stated that the iphone "will never have a bigger screen" or will "never have a front facing camera" or will "never have an HDMI out"? Further, if the iphone comes to verizon there is no doubt at all that it'll be 4g capable eventually

i mean the ipod touch has a front facing camera...why can't the iphone get that one day? i don't get how people are just blindly assuming that the iphone is NEVER going to have any of these things? where are you getting that from? Seriously, if there is somewhere I'd like to read it, because I honestly wasn't aware that apple said they will never add features to the iphone hardware-wise.

like i said no one knows anything about the iphone on vzw. whether its coming, what it'll be like, whether it has any extra hardware or features, so where exactly are you getting this information from? assumptions i assume? odd, to try to pass off assumptions as knowledge, no? but again, just show me a link about apple discussing the iphone on vzw and how it will not have any improved hardware, and i'll shut up quick i promise.

Apple will NEVER release multiple hardware revisions. Sure the antenna will be CDMA but that's it. It will be identical in every way, shape and form to the existing phone. Not only that they won't release it mid-cycle. If you believe it is coming in 2011 then it will come the same time it comes to AT&T. This is how Apple works and keeps continuity in their product. There won't be different iPhones with different screen sizes or different features across carriers. They will be identical aside from the antenna used.

i've highlighted above my original question. where are you getting the info to say it with such conviction that they'll NEVER release hardware revisions. I'm not saying they'll have 45 different phones running iOS. I'm saying how do you know that they won't change the hardware on the iphone and release it as an iphone. Not the iPhone incredible, or the iPhone X. or the iPhone Aria haha...just an iphone. Where have they said they will NEVER do this. Again, I'm not being stupid, I'm just curious. They haven't done it yet, but where have they said they'll never do it. Provide me a link. If you don't have one, and if you're not a senior official at Apple, then you're just assuming, and that means nothing. Or should I say NOTHING?

 

[czerdrill]

IF iOS were on devices made by Moto or HTC it would make ZERO difference. People who buy iPhones buy them because they are iPhones. It is a status symbol and a need to feel included and accepted by their peers. I can GUARANTEE that. Damned near EVERY person I know that has an iPhone and the people they know that have an iPhone have it simply because it is an iPhone. Operating system be damned. They just want the little Apple logo and the same look as their friends. This is an irrefutable fact. Do not argue it or challenge it. It's a hipsters' accessory. No different than the hot set of Versace shoes at fashion week.

What the? haha...what do you think i've been saying this ENTIRE time?? hahaa...this is like unreal that reading comprehension is this off, and i really think i'm the butt of a practical joke or something. OF COURSE people buy it because its an iphone. that's EXACTLY what i've been saying since the beginning. How many times do I have to say "the average consumer doesn't care"?? hahaa...i mean i'm literally laughing at loud at this. I just spent three pages saying this very thing and now you're agreeing with me and then telling me "do not argue it or challenge it"?? hahaa...this is hilarious.

My reading comprehension is fine. It seems your memory is lacking:

If iOs ever was on more then one device, Android's plight would be even worse haha...you're telling me that if Motorola or HTC were able to develop an iOS phone, it wouldn't outsell an android phone by the same company? Stop kidding yourself.

...let's go over this again:

[1] czerdrill: consumers don't care
[2] you: yes they do, they get choice
[3] czerdrill: yeah but they dont care about choice...everyone and their mother has an iphone and it's been marketed better then any phone out there
[4] you: android outsells iphone worldwide
[5] czerdrill: cuz they have 40 phones running android software, if iphone had 40 phones running iOS, it would outsell android
[6] you: people buy iphones for status, they don't care
[7] czerdrill: yes. i know.
[8] you: here's the part where you said that the reason android outsells iphones is because there are more phones. my reading comprehension is fine.
[9] czerdrill. no. it's really not.

if apple had 40 devices running iOS, it would outsell android and android would be erased into oblivion. and by 40 different devices i mean 40 devices with different hardware that run the operating system iOS. not a motorola iphone, a samsung iphone, an htc iphone and 37 other iphone clones with another company's name on them. (i know i know, apple will "NEVERRRRRR change hardware" haha)...obivously apple is not going to allow motorola to create a phone based on iOS as they create their own phones. but if they did, android would stand no chance. if they're barely outselling one stock device with 40 different devices in their arsenal, they would disappear if other companies could develop phones with iOS.

 

[jaycemiskel]

I believe Jobs talked about how bigger than 3.5in is too big but they may change a few things. However, if it's not broke don't fix it so I don't see them changing too much. You're correct though in saying there's no guarantee that they won't change some things though.

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[Darkseider]

i cant disagree with that, and choice is the reason i chose android an will remain with android forever. but i just dont see the average consumer caring about such things when its "vs the iphone". but again, we'll have to see. the damn phone has not even been announced yet and i've been arguing back and forth for the past 3 days haha...the only thing we can do is wait and see.

i do have a question though...why do people continue to say that it's going to be the same device no matter what? i'm not trying to be stupid, i'm asking because i truly just dont understand. has apple stated that the iphone "will never have a bigger screen" or will "never have a front facing camera" or will "never have an HDMI out"? Further, if the iphone comes to verizon there is no doubt at all that it'll be 4g capable eventually

i mean the ipod touch has a front facing camera...why can't the iphone get that one day? i don't get how people are just blindly assuming that the iphone is NEVER going to have any of these things? where are you getting that from? Seriously, if there is somewhere I'd like to read it, because I honestly wasn't aware that apple said they will never add features to the iphone hardware-wise.

like i said no one knows anything about the iphone on vzw. whether its coming, what it'll be like, whether it has any extra hardware or features, so where exactly are you getting this information from? assumptions i assume? odd, to try to pass off assumptions as knowledge, no? but again, just show me a link about apple discussing the iphone on vzw and how it will not have any improved hardware, and i'll shut up quick i promise.

Apple will NEVER release multiple hardware revisions. Sure the antenna will be CDMA but that's it. It will be identical in every way, shape and form to the existing phone. Not only that they won't release it mid-cycle. If you believe it is coming in 2011 then it will come the same time it comes to AT&T. This is how Apple works and keeps continuity in their product. There won't be different iPhones with different screen sizes or different features across carriers. They will be identical aside from the antenna used.

i've highlighted above my original question. where are you getting the info to say it with such conviction that they'll NEVER release hardware revisions. I'm not saying they'll have 45 different phones running iOS. I'm saying how do you know that they won't change the hardware on the iphone and release it as an iphone. Not the iPhone incredible, or the iPhone X. or the iPhone Aria haha...just an iphone. Where have they said they will NEVER do this. Again, I'm not being stupid, I'm just curious. They haven't done it yet, but where have they said they'll never do it. Provide me a link. If you don't have one, and if you're not a senior official at Apple, then you're just assuming, and that means nothing. Or should I say NOTHING?

I don't need to show you a website or an article. The phones will be identical in every way except for the antenna needed to work on the respective network. Apple doesn't, never has and never will differentiate their mobile products by offering models with different key features other than the amount of storage. There will not be multiple model phones or anything else. The iPod touch and the iPhone will always remain hardware identical as will the iPhone across whatever carrier sells it. There is no need to even expound on this any further. The iPhone 5 may be different but I highly doubt it. Apple... 3.5" since 6/2007.

 

[czerdrill]

Apple will NEVER release multiple hardware revisions. Sure the antenna will be CDMA but that's it. It will be identical in every way, shape and form to the existing phone. Not only that they won't release it mid-cycle. If you believe it is coming in 2011 then it will come the same time it comes to AT&T. This is how Apple works and keeps continuity in their product. There won't be different iPhones with different screen sizes or different features across carriers. They will be identical aside from the antenna used.

i've highlighted above my original question. where are you getting the info to say it with such conviction that they'll NEVER release hardware revisions. I'm not saying they'll have 45 different phones running iOS. I'm saying how do you know that they won't change the hardware on the iphone and release it as an iphone. Not the iPhone incredible, or the iPhone X. or the iPhone Aria haha...just an iphone. Where have they said they will NEVER do this. Again, I'm not being stupid, I'm just curious. They haven't done it yet, but where have they said they'll never do it. Provide me a link. If you don't have one, and if you're not a senior official at Apple, then you're just assuming, and that means nothing. Or should I say NOTHING?

I don't need to show you a website or an article. The phones will be identical in every way except for the antenna needed to work on the respective network. Apple doesn't, never has and never will differentiate their mobile products by offering models with different key features other than the amount of storage. There will not be multiple model phones or anything else. The iPod touch and the iPhone will always remain hardware identical as will the iPhone across whatever carrier sells it. There is no need to even expound on this any further. The iPhone 5 may be different but I highly doubt it. Apple... 3.5" since 6/2007.

lol ok. they'll never change it. no matter what. steve jobs called you and told you. and you don't need to show me a website haha...i mean really?

you're just blindly assuming things and passing them along as fact. there's no point. at all in talking to you about this. if you cant show me proof that they'll NEVER change their hardware, then your arguments are irrelevant

 

[czerdrill]

I believe Jobs talked about how bigger than 3.5in is too big but they may change a few things. However, if it's not broke don't fix it so I don't see them changing too much. You're correct though in saying there's no guarantee that they won't change some things though.

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Yeah I mean the next iPhone is not going to be some drastically different unrecognizable device obviously but to say that they will NEVER change anything but the antenna is ignorant.

 

[Darkseider]

What the? haha...what do you think i've been saying this ENTIRE time?? hahaa...this is like unreal that reading comprehension is this off, and i really think i'm the butt of a practical joke or something. OF COURSE people buy it because its an iphone. that's EXACTLY what i've been saying since the beginning. How many times do I have to say "the average consumer doesn't care"?? hahaa...i mean i'm literally laughing at loud at this. I just spent three pages saying this very thing and now you're agreeing with me and then telling me "do not argue it or challenge it"?? hahaa...this is hilarious.

My reading comprehension is fine. It seems your memory is lacking:

If iOs ever was on more then one device, Android's plight would be even worse haha...you're telling me that if Motorola or HTC were able to develop an iOS phone, it wouldn't outsell an android phone by the same company? Stop kidding yourself.

...let's go over this again:

[1] czerdrill: consumers don't care
[2] you: yes they do, they get choice
[3] czerdrill: yeah but they dont care about choice...everyone and their mother has an iphone and it's been marketed better then any phone out there
[4] you: android outsells iphone worldwide
[5] czerdrill: cuz they have 40 phones running android software, if iphone had 40 phones running iOS, it would outsell android
[6] you: people buy iphones for status, they don't care
[7] czerdrill: yes. i know.
[8] you: here's the part where you said that the reason android outsells iphones is because there are more phones. my reading comprehension is fine.
[9] czerdrill. no. it's really not.

if apple had 40 devices running iOS, it would outsell android and android would be erased into oblivion. and by 40 different devices i mean 40 devices with different hardware that run the operating system iOS. not a motorola iphone, a samsung iphone, an htc iphone and 37 other iphone clones with another company's name on them. (i know i know, apple will "NEVERRRRRR change hardware" haha)...obivously apple is not going to allow motorola to create a phone based on iOS as they create their own phones. but if they did, android would stand no chance. if they're barely outselling one stock device with 40 different devices in their arsenal, they would disappear if other companies could develop phones with iOS.

Way to spin it. Consumers DO care about choice. Those that choose an iPhone don't. They wouldn't know iOS from a hole in the wall. My point is no matter who puts iOS on a device if it isn't Apple it won't sell. Whereas Android has mass appeal due to the fact that it is on every form factor, in every price range and on every carrier worldwide. The iPhone ASSUMES one size fits all. Android KNOWS differently. IDG, Nielsen, CNet and every other company that has access to the metrics shows, unequivocally regardless of what Uncle Steve tells his flock, that Android is quickly eating away at what little lead Apple has and will at this time next year be the dominant mobile OS worldwide.

 

[czerdrill]

btw the iphone 4 has a front facing camera doesn't it? I'm pretty sure no other iphone iteration has that. i'm also pretty sure that a camera is considered hardware. so that sounds like a hardware revision. pretty sure about that.

 

[Darkseider]

btw the iphone 4 has a front facing camera doesn't it? I'm pretty sure no other iphone iteration has that. i'm also pretty sure that a camera is considered hardware. so that sounds like a hardware revision. pretty sure about that.

Really? The iPhone 5 or iPhone 4 LTE or whatever the hell it is going to be called will be an small incremental upgrade to the existing device. The iPhone and iPhone 3G were identical except for the 3G antenna. The 3GS identical to the 3G except a slightly faster processor. Now the 4 with it's hardware refresh will continue the small incremental upgrade lineage. The next iPhone may have LTE and what? A slightly better battery? Maybe more memory which is doubtful. So the iPhone 4LTE will be out in June of 2011 once again showing how well Apple cares about its' flock.

 

[czerdrill]

My reading comprehension is fine. It seems your memory is lacking:

If iOs ever was on more then one device, Android's plight would be even worse haha...you're telling me that if Motorola or HTC were able to develop an iOS phone, it wouldn't outsell an android phone by the same company? Stop kidding yourself.

...let's go over this again:

[1] czerdrill: consumers don't care
[2] you: yes they do, they get choice
[3] czerdrill: yeah but they dont care about choice...everyone and their mother has an iphone and it's been marketed better then any phone out there
[4] you: android outsells iphone worldwide
[5] czerdrill: cuz they have 40 phones running android software, if iphone had 40 phones running iOS, it would outsell android
[6] you: people buy iphones for status, they don't care
[7] czerdrill: yes. i know.
[8] you: here's the part where you said that the reason android outsells iphones is because there are more phones. my reading comprehension is fine.
[9] czerdrill. no. it's really not.

if apple had 40 devices running iOS, it would outsell android and android would be erased into oblivion. and by 40 different devices i mean 40 devices with different hardware that run the operating system iOS. not a motorola iphone, a samsung iphone, an htc iphone and 37 other iphone clones with another company's name on them. (i know i know, apple will "NEVERRRRRR change hardware" haha)...obivously apple is not going to allow motorola to create a phone based on iOS as they create their own phones. but if they did, android would stand no chance. if they're barely outselling one stock device with 40 different devices in their arsenal, they would disappear if other companies could develop phones with iOS.

Way to spin it. Consumers DO care about choice. Those that choose an iPhone don't. They wouldn't know iOS from a hole in the wall. My point is no matter who puts iOS on a device if it isn't Apple it won't sell. Whereas Android has mass appeal due to the fact that it is on every form factor, in every price range and on every carrier worldwide. The iPhone ASSUMES one size fits all. Android KNOWS differently. IDG, Nielsen, CNet and every other company that has access to the metrics shows, unequivocally regardless of what Uncle Steve tells his flock, that Android is quickly eating away at what little lead Apple has and will at this time next year be the dominant mobile OS worldwide.

so how many cell phone users (as a percentage) do you ASSUME (yes...assume) can tell iOS from a hole in the wall, and android from a hole in the wall? You're trying to tell me that most users do research day and night about different hardware/software/operating systems and make an educated decision based on that? haha...your faith in the consumer is just odd.

companies know that consumers fall for marketing and hype and dont sit at home researching stuff before buying it. that's the reason best buy can sell HDMI cables for $250 and tell you things like "it has a gold tip so it gives you a really great signal!!"...meanwhile an educated consumer can buy an HDMI cable for $1 on ebay, realizing its a digital cable and either there is no signal degradation or there is complete signal degradation. (there's probably people on this very forum who own $250 dollar HDMI cables)...

how many consumers out there really know about android? and how many know about the iPhone? if every consumer did their research, most companies would be out of business. you cant really believe what your saying. companies make money off uneducated consumers and the majority of consumers are uneducated. I don't know what could possibly make you think that more consumers do research then those that dont.

 

[czerdrill]

btw the iphone 4 has a front facing camera doesn't it? I'm pretty sure no other iphone iteration has that. i'm also pretty sure that a camera is considered hardware. so that sounds like a hardware revision. pretty sure about that.

Really? The iPhone 5 or iPhone 4 LTE or whatever the hell it is going to be called will be an small incremental upgrade to the existing device. The iPhone and iPhone 3G were identical except for the 3G antenna. The 3GS identical to the 3G except a slightly faster processor. Now the 4 with it's hardware refresh will continue the small incremental upgrade lineage. The next iPhone may have LTE and what? A slightly better battery? Maybe more memory which is doubtful. So the iPhone 4LTE will be out in June of 2011 once again showing how well Apple cares about its' flock.

it must be pretty awesome to be in your position, where you get inside info on future iphones before the rest of the world and apple itself do. haha...you're just assuming. your arguments are becoming more irrelevant with every post.

 

[Darkseider]

btw the iphone 4 has a front facing camera doesn't it? I'm pretty sure no other iphone iteration has that. i'm also pretty sure that a camera is considered hardware. so that sounds like a hardware revision. pretty sure about that.

Slightly off topic but I'll throw this past you. Would you like to bet that the iPad 2 will be the EXACT same hardware as the iPhone 4 sans 10" retina display. Come on. I know you want to

This is what Apple does. If you can't see that then you are blind to the truth. They recycle hardware every two to three years.

 

[Darkseider]

btw the iphone 4 has a front facing camera doesn't it? I'm pretty sure no other iphone iteration has that. i'm also pretty sure that a camera is considered hardware. so that sounds like a hardware revision. pretty sure about that.

Really? The iPhone 5 or iPhone 4 LTE or whatever the hell it is going to be called will be an small incremental upgrade to the existing device. The iPhone and iPhone 3G were identical except for the 3G antenna. The 3GS identical to the 3G except a slightly faster processor. Now the 4 with it's hardware refresh will continue the small incremental upgrade lineage. The next iPhone may have LTE and what? A slightly better battery? Maybe more memory which is doubtful. So the iPhone 4LTE will be out in June of 2011 once again showing how well Apple cares about its' flock.

it must be pretty awesome to be in your position, where you get inside info on future iphones before the rest of the world and apple itself do. haha...you're just assuming. your arguments are becoming more irrelevant with every post.

Think what you will if that makes you sleep better at night. I know I am right and when Apple does exactly what I said they will do you will see that as well. At which point I will request a 300 pt. font be made available to me so I can type "I told you so" in REALLY BIG LETTERS. dancedroid

 

[Darkseider]

...let's go over this again:

[1] czerdrill: consumers don't care
[2] you: yes they do, they get choice
[3] czerdrill: yeah but they dont care about choice...everyone and their mother has an iphone and it's been marketed better then any phone out there
[4] you: android outsells iphone worldwide
[5] czerdrill: cuz they have 40 phones running android software, if iphone had 40 phones running iOS, it would outsell android
[6] you: people buy iphones for status, they don't care
[7] czerdrill: yes. i know.
[8] you: here's the part where you said that the reason android outsells iphones is because there are more phones. my reading comprehension is fine.
[9] czerdrill. no. it's really not.

if apple had 40 devices running iOS, it would outsell android and android would be erased into oblivion. and by 40 different devices i mean 40 devices with different hardware that run the operating system iOS. not a motorola iphone, a samsung iphone, an htc iphone and 37 other iphone clones with another company's name on them. (i know i know, apple will "NEVERRRRRR change hardware" haha)...obivously apple is not going to allow motorola to create a phone based on iOS as they create their own phones. but if they did, android would stand no chance. if they're barely outselling one stock device with 40 different devices in their arsenal, they would disappear if other companies could develop phones with iOS.

Way to spin it. Consumers DO care about choice. Those that choose an iPhone don't. They wouldn't know iOS from a hole in the wall. My point is no matter who puts iOS on a device if it isn't Apple it won't sell. Whereas Android has mass appeal due to the fact that it is on every form factor, in every price range and on every carrier worldwide. The iPhone ASSUMES one size fits all. Android KNOWS differently. IDG, Nielsen, CNet and every other company that has access to the metrics shows, unequivocally regardless of what Uncle Steve tells his flock, that Android is quickly eating away at what little lead Apple has and will at this time next year be the dominant mobile OS worldwide.

so how many cell phone users (as a percentage) do you ASSUME (yes...assume) can tell iOS from a hole in the wall, and android from a hole in the wall? You're trying to tell me that most users do research day and night about different hardware/software/operating systems and make an educated decision based on that? haha...your faith in the consumer is just odd.

companies know that consumers fall for marketing and hype and dont sit at home researching stuff before buying it. that's the reason best buy can sell HDMI cables for $250 and tell you things like "it has a gold tip so it gives you a really great signal!!"...meanwhile an educated consumer can buy an HDMI cable for $1 on ebay, realizing its a digital cable and either there is no signal degradation or there is complete signal degradation. (there's probably people on this very forum who own $250 dollar HDMI cables)...

how many consumers out there really know about android? and how many know about the iPhone? if every consumer did their research, most companies would be out of business. you cant really believe what your saying. companies make money off uneducated consumers and the majority of consumers are uneducated. I don't know what could possibly make you think that more consumers do research then those that dont.

More and more consumers are becoming educated. There is this thing called the internet and information and news is spread instantly to eager readers. It's not like it used to be. More and more people are making informed decisions whether through their own research or by asking those "in the know" prior to making any purchase.

 

[czerdrill]

More and more consumers are becoming educated. There is this thing called the internet and information and news is spread instantly to eager readers. It's not like it used to be. More and more people are making informed decisions whether through their own research or by asking those "in the know" prior to making any purchase.

absolutely more consumers are becoming educated. that's undeniable. but its nowhere near the point where the majority or anywhere close to that number is educated. for every 1 person i can ask about android, there's 20 people who have no idea what the heck it is.

you're making it sound as if only educated consumers choose android and all the dumb ones choose iphone. and your assuming (again) and also wrong.

there are plenty of android users who have no idea what kind of stuff they can do with their phone if they took the time to research. there are plenty who have no interest whatsoever in any of that. there are plenty who got an android just because they couldn't get an iphone. there are plenty who'll switch to the iphone if it comes out for verizon.

what there aren't plenty of is people who can sit down with you and tell you about open source and what it means, and compare/contrast android and iOS. why act like there are?