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Mainstream Media Starting to Catch On to What We Know about Android vs. iPhone

Every OS has its goods and bads. Ios does have better battery life but that don't mean you can play Pandora all day and use your phone. I like what Apple does and I hope they stay true to themselves. They don't need widgets or multitasking. Most people with ios don't care about all that any way. They like ios because its clean. Now to some clean equals boring. So basically you will have a trade off you can either have clean (boring to some) smooth, better battery life, doing one task at a time but doing it well with out the system being bouged down with services processing in the background. Or you can have different screen sizes, widgets, the ability to customize, but needing to have the hardware to handle the heavy OS or you will notice lag. Also must manage the device to make sure WiFi, gps, and things are not running that may drain the battery. Also have to worry about the open market containing malware.

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Every OS has its goods and bads. Ios does have better battery life but that don't mean you can play Pandora all day and use your phone. I like what Apple does and I hope they stay true to themselves. They don't need widgets or multitasking. Most people with ios don't care about all that any way. They like ios because its clean. Now to some clean equals boring. So basically you will have a trade off you can either have clean (boring to some) smooth, better battery life, doing one task at a time but doing it well with out the system being bouged down with services processing in the background. Or you can have different screen sizes, widgets, the ability to customize, but needing to have the hardware to handle the heavy OS or you will notice lag. Also must manage the device to make sure WiFi, gps, and things are not running that may drain the battery. Also have to worry about the open market containing malware.

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Yeah pros and cons for both, and that's what makes both OSs great.

However, Apple, if they add widgets or improved notifications, it's because people want it or they think they need the overhaul. And btw, iphone has multitasking and some might argue it's far more efficient then the android method. (Please don't come back with the regurgitated "true multi-tasking" bit...that's almost as bad as the people screaming "open source!!!" every time any comparison is made between the two) Has nothing to really do with staying true to themselves. But that being said, it's not as if they're going to depart from their clean and shiny UI. I'm sure their UI programmers will figure out a clean and shiny way for widgets and notifications too.

Further, I don't think we're going to notice any performance decline if Apple adds widgets or notifications. Apple can be accused of a lot of things, but one thing no one can deny is that Jobs/Apple are perfectionists to the point of almost OCD. They're not going to release ios5 until they're completely satisfied with it (meaning, at the very least, the same UI experience, performance-wise as their current OS). It's not going to get worse, it may not get better, but it surely isn't going to get worse.

Android has iPhone beat on customization, out of the box. That's undeniable, and that's something Apple won't change. With jailbreak, you can do plenty as far as customization, including adding widgets, status bar notifications and theming. But new notifications and widgets as a standard feature doesnt necessarily mean they're not being true to themselves.

I think ios5 is going to be a big deal, and some outlets are already calling it "revolutionary"...yes, revolutionary, not evolutionary. Apple is always on the cusp of technology and the misconceptions that people have about the company are silly. Remember, just last year there were people saying things like "apple would NEVER release a Verizon iPhone because their business model is one product and they don't know how to adapt to change" or some lame crap (I myself got into an argument with one poster, don't remember his name, about how ridiculous that assertion was).

We're all benefiting by all this competition...i for one hope Apple never stops pushing the bar haha

(waiting for the fanboys to say "Why are you here?? Go marry an iPhone!")
 
^^^Like you said, customization and a heavy OS doesn't mean there has to be lag, but you did need the power. I'm curious to see the new phones will handle it because the content/widgets/services seem to be doing a pretty good job of pushing the hardware so the power user that maxes out his phone may continue to have issues.

And I agree IOS "clean" is boring. I mean, literally it's just a list of apps to flip thru, like sort of a expanded app drawer on Android. Really annoying. I realize widgets aren't for everyone, but I think a good number of people on IOS simply don't know what they're missing. And it's not like people don't have the option to go with a clean look if they choose - you can do that on Android, too, and I suspect things would generally run a lot more smoothly, especially on the newer phones.
 
^^^Like you said, customization and a heavy OS doesn't mean there has to be lag, but you did need the power. I'm curious to see the new phones will handle it because the content/widgets/services seem to be doing a pretty good job of pushing the hardware so the power user that maxes out his phone may continue to have issues.

And I agree IOS "clean" is boring. I mean, literally it's just a list of apps to flip thru, like sort of a expanded app drawer on Android. Really annoying. I realize widgets aren't for everyone, but I think a good number of people on IOS simply don't know what they're missing. And it's not like people don't have the option to go with a clean look if they choose - you can do that on Android, too, and I suspect things would generally run a lot more smoothly, especially on the newer phones.

Agreed, but "boring" is a subjective assertion. What may be "boring" to us (and I agree, it is boring, I much prefer being able to put what I want where I want), might be "easy" for others, and it can be argued that "easy" trumps "boring" for the majority of cell phone users. Most just want a phone that works, that's easy to use, and that they can do what they want with minimal effort. And I think the sales figures for iPhone back me up on that...it could be inferred that millions don't care that it's "boring" haha

Apple's UI as it stands is pretty "boring" definitely, but they might have something up their sleeves with ios5, and hey those users will probably find out what they're missing if it includes widgets and a notification overhaul...
 
Apple's UI as it stands is pretty "boring" definitely, but they might have something up their sleeves with ios5, and hey those users will probably find out what they're missing if it includes widgets and a notification overhaul...

Oh, I agree. And there's nothing wrong with "boring", but I think IPhone sales much more than any other phone make-up their mind before even going into the store and so either don't care or don't realize what they're missing.

If IOS5 adds widgets and improved notifications it's going to be huge. People will act like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. "Oh my god, what will they think of next!" Between that and GB/Ice Cream, there's not going to be any substantial advantages to either platform that I see.

The other interesting thing to watch is Windows 8, which is adding touchscreen support. I'm not counting out Mr. Softie yet - as far as "entrenched" users, they're really the only company that can rival Apple in that regard.
 
I think if Apple go away from what they do well to try to match what android.does well that will spell the end of their strong hold. It's like in sports. A good defense try to take away what you do well and forces you to go outside you element. Once they have you doing that then you lost the advantage because now you doubt what got you there and once you doubt you lose. The iPad 2 is the top selling tablet with no other device coming close. And Android users are buying ipads so that proves Apple ios works and is still appealing.to.many. just look at what the second best device, the Samsung galaxy s devices and they basically took the Apple look and merged it with Android. So no need to change what is working. Make minor tweaks to the hardware, ie larger screen another processor, and gorilla glass. But as far as the OS, no need to change any thing leave it the way it is.

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I think if Apple go away from what they do well to try to match what android.does well that will spell the end of their strong hold. It's like in sports. A good defense try to take away what you do well and forces you to go outside you element. Once they have you doing that then you lost the advantage because now you doubt what got you there and once you doubt you lose. The iPad 2 is the top selling tablet with no other device coming close. And Android users are buying ipads so that proves Apple ios works and is still appealing.to.many. just look at what the second best device, the Samsung galaxy s devices and they basically took the Apple look and merged it with Android. So no need to change what is working. Make minor tweaks to the hardware, ie larger screen another processor, and gorilla glass. But as far as the OS, no need to change any thing leave it the way it is.

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But I don't get why you think that overhauling their software means they're going to end what they do well. It's not like they're going to put together some haphazard widget/notification system and just slap it on ios to make ppl happy. It's going to be done very nicely, and I'm sure it's not going to be a 1:1 copy of android either.

Like kodiak said, apple users probably just buy without caring what the improvements are but you don't get customer loyalty like that without doing something right. As much as ppl here want to believe ios users are sheep, the fact is they buy and keep buying ios products because they are great products.
They're not miserable with their iphones or ipads and just continue to buy them to look cool. Anyone who thinks that needs to get off the derp derp and breath through their nose.

I don't know man, I find it extremely unlikely that a complete overhaul of ios is going to "spell the end" for them. That doesn't make sense on any level...

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Yeah, I suppose they have some risk of executing poorly - taking on widgets is a pretty significant adaption, and then developers need to create good widgets. At least the latter part doesn't seem too daunting because a lot of developers are already doing widgets on Android.

Does it make IOS more complicated? I don't know, I've never really agreed with all this "IOS is so much easier out of the box" stuff. Different, yes, easier is a matter of perspective. Maybe users have the potential to push the phones a little too much and maybe a few bugs emerge. But pretty doubtful because at the end of the day Apple controls the OS and the device.

Their bread and butter may be simple, locked-down and boring, but that doesn't mean it has to stay that way forever or even that it should. Eventually your users become more sophisticated and demanding, and if your OS is not growing with them then you run the risk the users will leave you behind.

On a sort of related note, I feel Tasker and Locale really unlock the power of a smartphone and should almost be stock features (I guess from the Android perspective, that's part of the reason for an open system). And Locale isn't very easy to use while Tasker looks like a real piece of work. But with smartphones intruding everywhere now that level of automated control is really a necessity. If I was HTC or Moto, I'd buy Tasker, fully integrate it into my UI and make it easier to use and then I'd have a pretty big competitive edge.
 
Yeah, I suppose they have some risk of executing poorly - taking on widgets is a pretty significant adaption, and then developers need to create good widgets. At least the latter part doesn't seem too daunting because a lot of developers are already doing widgets on Android.

Does it make IOS more complicated? I don't know, I've never really agreed with all this "IOS is so much easier out of the box" stuff. Different, yes, easier is a matter of perspective. Maybe users have the potential to push the phones a little too much and maybe a few bugs emerge. But pretty doubtful because at the end of the day Apple controls the OS and the device.

Their bread and butter may be simple, locked-down and boring, but that doesn't mean it has to stay that way forever or even that it should. Eventually your users become more sophisticated and demanding, and if your OS is not growing with them then you run the risk the users will leave you behind.

On a sort of related note, I feel Tasker and Locale really unlock the power of a smartphone and should almost be stock features (I guess from the Android perspective, that's part of the reason for an open system). And Locale isn't very easy to use while Tasker looks like a real piece of work. But with smartphones intruding everywhere now that level of automated control is really a necessity. If I was HTC or Moto, I'd buy Tasker, fully integrate it into my UI and make it easier to use and then I'd have a pretty big competitive edge.

remember apple has widgets on their macbooks dashboards for years, and those work very well. while it's obviously not the same OS as an iPhone, I'm sure they will figure out a way to make a good widget system and as mentioned they're not going to release it until they're completely satisfied with its performance.

and exactly, changing is not going to make them fail...it's a little hard to imagine a world where overhauling their UI causes Apple to go belly up haha.

i agree about tasker...that app alone makes android worth the price of admission and then some. the scope of things you can do with tasker are literally boundless.
 
Because if Apple add widgets after adding multitasking on the last OS then it is clear they are just copying Android. What we like about Apple is how innovative they are and how they push the envelope.. they told Adobe that they don't need their flash content slowing down their device and are willing to take html and prove to the world that they are going to continue doing it the Apple way. I don't want to see Apple copy Android I want to see them come up with new stuff that is their own. And knowing Steve jobs and how stubborn he is I think he would rather continue to rub the world in his and Apple's brilliance by coming up with ideas and concepts we have never thought of and watch the world continue to follow Apple.

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Because if Apple add widgets after adding multitasking on the last OS then it is clear they are just copying Android. What we like about Apple is how innovative they are and how they push the envelope.. they told Adobe that they don't need their flash content slowing down their device and are willing to take html and prove to the world that they are going to continue doing it the Apple way. I don't want to see Apple copy Android I want to see them come up with new stuff that is their own. And knowing Steve jobs and how stubborn he is I think he would rather continue to rub the world in his and Apple's brilliance by coming up with ideas and concepts we have never thought of and watch the world continue to follow Apple.

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i think apple's goal is just money, don't think they care if they're accused of "copying" android haha...that's so second grade and something only people on forums will argue about tbh...

iCloud is their innovation this time around, and it's going to be huge and people are already talking about how huge it's going to be. and they'll continue to innovate i'm sure, i doubt they're suddenly going to go stale.

but to be sure (and fair), why do they have to innovate with every iteration of their software? do all companies introduce revolutionary features with every OS release?
 
It's not like Android invented widgets, so I don't see why that would be copying Android. To me, widgets are an integral part of the convenience and touchscreen interface of smartphones and tablets. To ignore widgets just seems stubborn to a fault.

As for notification, a lot of IOS users have been complaining about that. It needs improving, and I don't think that has to mean copying Android, although how many ways are there to do notifications, really?

Sure, there's some brand preference and influence on both sides, but the majority of users aren't looking for the horse they backed to win - they want features and who really cares who thought of what first? Seems completely ridiculous that if IOS came out with a must-have feature that I would need to switch from Android to get a full user experience.

While I think people have proven far more willing to switch platforms (or be on multiple platforms) than I ever expected, it seems counter-intuitive that the majority want to do that. It takes time to find the apps you want/need and to set your phone just the way you want it. I don't want to switch back-and-forth for the latest features, heck I don't even like having IOS for a tablet and Android on my phone - it's literally like double the work to set-up and maintain those two devices. Oh, and of course I have Windows on my laptop. I just want to use my devices and to work the way I want/need, not constantly work around shortcomings.
 
Yea....I didnt use the widgets that was on my Omnia 1....that was the old Win Mo.

About Flash...yea its not perfect but its used the most. I say go with it until HTML5 becomes more used. I respect the stance Jobs, Apple took with Flash even tho I dont agree with it. But I understand...the same should be done for 64bit desktop OS's.

I seen a notification app for iOS. One needs to be jail broken to use it, but it looks alot better than whats in stock iOS. If Apple just copied that app it should please alot of ppl.
 
Yea....I didnt use the widgets that was on my Omnia 1....that was the old Win Mo.

About Flash...yea its not perfect but its used the most. I say go with it until HTML5 becomes more used. I respect the stance Jobs, Apple took with Flash even tho I dont agree with it. But I understand...the same should be done for 64bit desktop OS's.

I seen a notification app for iOS. One needs to be jail broken to use it, but it looks alot better than whats in stock iOS. If Apple just copied that app it should please alot of ppl.

I read that apple hired some cydia devs to help with the notifications...don't know how true that is but it's pretty popular in the jailbreak community.


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What I mean for 64bit desktop OS's is make 64bit desktop OS's become the norm by shunning 32bit.

I cant remember what happened to make 32bit desktop OS's become the norm. But it happened somewhere along the way.
 
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