P3Droid: Some Food for Thought - Bootloaders, Rooting, Manufacturers, and Carriers

[Irishdoom]

Let's be honest here, many people who tether do it to give other people internet access.
As for the buffet analogy, the buffet DOES sell you an "unlimited" buffet, but you can't take it home and eat it... You paid for unlimited food, what does it matter if you eat it at home...

I'll say it again for clarity. If you don't agree with the TOS, dont sign it. Lol, I love the idea of litigation... "Let's sue them for stopping us from stealing".. why didn't Napster think of that defense.

Because when you take food home, you are obviously taking more than you could eat at that one sitting.

But being that we have caps on our "unlimited" data, we are not getting more than we paid for. We are simply getting what we paid for via a different device. I am taking my food and eating it with different utensils rather than eating everything with a fork.

That's the difference.

Now if I eat more than my share of data, charge me, just as many buffets will let you take some food home, but they weigh it and charge you extra, because you are going over the limit.

You taking the internet service off your phone and giving it to another device is akin to me taking the plate from the buffet and eating it at McDonald's. I mean, why should they care, its still the same amount of food........

The reason they care has already been explained at length. Because YOU signed a contract.


Think about it this way, you've got a gasoline pump with unlimited gasoline. (Bandwidth)
But you can only pump thru a straw. (Your phone)
The very reason the gas (bandwidth) is free, is because there is such a small amount being drawn out at once.
Now, switch the straw (phone) with a garden hose (computer).. they are both drawing from the same "unlimited" gas pump, but at vastly different rates...

There is only so much content you would want to use your phone to access, that's what the carriers are banking on. Once you start using your computer the whole internet opens up.

Jeebus, American Morals have gone up in smoke.

Your new analogy is exactly why they should be clamping down on Bandwidth, not which "hose" is being used. I, for instance, would still use that straw to send work emails and be available on Office Communicator during my train commute. Who they should be targeting are those users who take that garden hose and use it at home to stream Netflix or spread it around to friends in the area.

 

[SquireSCA]

What this often comes down to, is a company that is in an industry where contracts are prevalent, hits a market saturation point where they stop growing their client base, or at least they do not grow it the way that they want.

Sometimes they start a new product line, like VZW getting the iPhone, hoping to lure in more clients.

But often, they sit down and say, "Listen, we cannot seem to add as many new subscriptions as we need to hit our target, so how do we get more revenue out of the existing base?"

I have sat in on those meetings, they happen every day.

And so they raise prices. They start restricting some things and start charging for things that were not charged for before, etc...

This is one of those things.

They are taking something that costs them nothing, and trying to make a profit from it.

ADP did this all the time, kept raising prices every year on average of 7%, until they had a backlash of clients that were paying higher than the book price that the new clients coming on board were paying, for the same services. So my being loyal to them and staying with them for 15 years, cost me more money than some new client walking in the door.

Corporations do this crap all the time. It isn't about doing what is right for the customer, it is about doing just enough for them so that they don't pack up and leave, in order to keep the stock holders and investors happy.

 

[cereal killer]

All these analogiee are making me hungry and wanting to fill up my gas tank : )



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[OneTenderRebel]

All these analogiee are making me hungry and wanting to fill up my gas tank : )



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Mongolian BBQ anyone?

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[SquireSCA]

Let's be honest here, many people who tether do it to give other people internet access.
As for the buffet analogy, the buffet DOES sell you an "unlimited" buffet, but you can't take it home and eat it... You paid for unlimited food, what does it matter if you eat it at home...

I'll say it again for clarity. If you don't agree with the TOS, dont sign it. Lol, I love the idea of litigation... "Let's sue them for stopping us from stealing".. why didn't Napster think of that defense.

Because when you take food home, you are obviously taking more than you could eat at that one sitting.

But being that we have caps on our "unlimited" data, we are not getting more than we paid for. We are simply getting what we paid for via a different device. I am taking my food and eating it with different utensils rather than eating everything with a fork.

That's the difference.

Now if I eat more than my share of data, charge me, just as many buffets will let you take some food home, but they weigh it and charge you extra, because you are going over the limit.

You taking the internet service off your phone and giving it to another device is akin to me taking the plate from the buffet and eating it at McDonald's. I mean, why should they care, its still the same amount of food........

The reason they care has already been explained at length. Because YOU signed a contract.


Think about it this way, you've got a gasoline pump with unlimited gasoline. (Bandwidth)
But you can only pump thru a straw. (Your phone)
The very reason the gas (bandwidth) is free, is because there is such a small amount being drawn out at once.
Now, switch the straw (phone) with a garden hose (computer).. they are both drawing from the same "unlimited" gas pump, but at vastly different rates...

There is only so much content you would want to use your phone to access, that's what the carriers are banking on. Once you start using your computer the whole internet opens up.

Jeebus, American Morals have gone up in smoke.

Then the gas pump can cut me off when I reach 5 gallons. if I want to use the garden hose instead of the straw, I will simply run out faster. Either way, it costs the gas pump company nothing. I am paying for my 5 gallons, so what does it matter if I want it through a garden hose or a straw?

What if I only use 2 gallons throw the hose, versus all 5 through my straw?

How is that stealing, when I paid for the 5 gallons in the first place, and in the end didn't even use it all?

This is like me paying for a 900 minute plan and never really using the minutes. So I let my girlfriend make calls on my phone because I have the extra minutes... And then the VZW police come along and cuff me because I was stealing minutes by sharing them with someone else?

Puhlease...

Maybe they should have a fingerprint scanner on the phone so that only I can use my "unlimited" calling minutes?

I mean, if I let someone borrow my phone for a bit and use up 100 of my minutes, they are STEALING, right?

Maybe Telco companies should operate this way. Every family member should have their own phone and fees. No more one phone line for a household of 4 and everyone can use it.

Maybe DirecTV should be like cell phone carriers, and so my $114 a month bill is just for me to watch TV. If other people want to watch it, which will surely add up to more hours than I could ever watch alone, then they should pay, right?

 

[OneTenderRebel]

Because when you take food home, you are obviously taking more than you could eat at that one sitting.

But being that we have caps on our "unlimited" data, we are not getting more than we paid for. We are simply getting what we paid for via a different device. I am taking my food and eating it with different utensils rather than eating everything with a fork.

That's the difference.

Now if I eat more than my share of data, charge me, just as many buffets will let you take some food home, but they weigh it and charge you extra, because you are going over the limit.

You taking the internet service off your phone and giving it to another device is akin to me taking the plate from the buffet and eating it at McDonald's. I mean, why should they care, its still the same amount of food........

The reason they care has already been explained at length. Because YOU signed a contract.


Think about it this way, you've got a gasoline pump with unlimited gasoline. (Bandwidth)
But you can only pump thru a straw. (Your phone)
The very reason the gas (bandwidth) is free, is because there is such a small amount being drawn out at once.
Now, switch the straw (phone) with a garden hose (computer).. they are both drawing from the same "unlimited" gas pump, but at vastly different rates...

There is only so much content you would want to use your phone to access, that's what the carriers are banking on. Once you start using your computer the whole internet opens up.

Jeebus, American Morals have gone up in smoke.

Then the gas pump can cut me off when I reach 5 gallons. if I want to use the garden hose instead of the straw, I will simply run out faster. Either way, it costs the gas pump company nothing. I am paying for my 5 gallons, so what does it matter if I want it through a garden hose or a straw?

What if I only use 2 gallons throw the hose, versus all 5 through my straw?

How is that stealing, when I paid for the 5 gallons in the first place, and in the end didn't even use it all?

This is like me paying for a 900 minute plan and never really using the minutes. So I let my girlfriend make calls on my phone because I have the extra minutes... And then the VZW police come along and cuff me because I was stealing minutes by sharing them with someone else?

Puhlease...

Maybe they should have a fingerprint scanner on the phone so that only I can use my "unlimited" calling minutes?

I mean, if I let someone borrow my phone for a bit and use up 100 of my minutes, they are STEALING, right?

Maybe Telco companies should operate this way. Every family member should have their own phone and fees. No more one phone line for a household of 4 and everyone can use it.

Maybe DirecTV should be like cell phone carriers, and so my $114 a month bill is just for me to watch TV. If other people want to watch it, which will surely add up to more hours than I could ever watch alone, then they should pay, right?

You're so far off in your analogies. You pay for unlimited data for ONE device. You can make millions of those analogies and none of them will hold any weight. Show me where it says you can use your data for anything you want and then your analogies will make perfect sense but until then......

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[SquireSCA]

You taking the internet service off your phone and giving it to another device is akin to me taking the plate from the buffet and eating it at McDonald's. I mean, why should they care, its still the same amount of food........

The reason they care has already been explained at length. Because YOU signed a contract.


Think about it this way, you've got a gasoline pump with unlimited gasoline. (Bandwidth)
But you can only pump thru a straw. (Your phone)
The very reason the gas (bandwidth) is free, is because there is such a small amount being drawn out at once.
Now, switch the straw (phone) with a garden hose (computer).. they are both drawing from the same "unlimited" gas pump, but at vastly different rates...

There is only so much content you would want to use your phone to access, that's what the carriers are banking on. Once you start using your computer the whole internet opens up.

Jeebus, American Morals have gone up in smoke.

Then the gas pump can cut me off when I reach 5 gallons. if I want to use the garden hose instead of the straw, I will simply run out faster. Either way, it costs the gas pump company nothing. I am paying for my 5 gallons, so what does it matter if I want it through a garden hose or a straw?

What if I only use 2 gallons throw the hose, versus all 5 through my straw?

How is that stealing, when I paid for the 5 gallons in the first place, and in the end didn't even use it all?

This is like me paying for a 900 minute plan and never really using the minutes. So I let my girlfriend make calls on my phone because I have the extra minutes... And then the VZW police come along and cuff me because I was stealing minutes by sharing them with someone else?

Puhlease...

Maybe they should have a fingerprint scanner on the phone so that only I can use my "unlimited" calling minutes?

I mean, if I let someone borrow my phone for a bit and use up 100 of my minutes, they are STEALING, right?

Maybe Telco companies should operate this way. Every family member should have their own phone and fees. No more one phone line for a household of 4 and everyone can use it.

Maybe DirecTV should be like cell phone carriers, and so my $114 a month bill is just for me to watch TV. If other people want to watch it, which will surely add up to more hours than I could ever watch alone, then they should pay, right?

You're so far off in your analogies. You pay for unlimited data for ONE device. You can make millions of those analogies and none of them will hold any weight. Show me where it says you can use your data for anything you want and then your analogies will make perfect sense but until then......

sent from the great depths of my phones internet (thanks Al Gore)

I am paying for data on that device. If I use the data on that device, or it forwards some of that data to my other device, so long as I am not using more than my limit of data, it should not matter.

If I have an unlimited calling plan, and I let my girlfriend use my phone whenever she wants, is that stealing?

 

[OneTenderRebel]

Then the gas pump can cut me off when I reach 5 gallons. if I want to use the garden hose instead of the straw, I will simply run out faster. Either way, it costs the gas pump company nothing. I am paying for my 5 gallons, so what does it matter if I want it through a garden hose or a straw?

What if I only use 2 gallons throw the hose, versus all 5 through my straw?

How is that stealing, when I paid for the 5 gallons in the first place, and in the end didn't even use it all?

This is like me paying for a 900 minute plan and never really using the minutes. So I let my girlfriend make calls on my phone because I have the extra minutes... And then the VZW police come along and cuff me because I was stealing minutes by sharing them with someone else?

Puhlease...

Maybe they should have a fingerprint scanner on the phone so that only I can use my "unlimited" calling minutes?

I mean, if I let someone borrow my phone for a bit and use up 100 of my minutes, they are STEALING, right?

Maybe Telco companies should operate this way. Every family member should have their own phone and fees. No more one phone line for a household of 4 and everyone can use it.

Maybe DirecTV should be like cell phone carriers, and so my $114 a month bill is just for me to watch TV. If other people want to watch it, which will surely add up to more hours than I could ever watch alone, then they should pay, right?

You're so far off in your analogies. You pay for unlimited data for ONE device. You can make millions of those analogies and none of them will hold any weight. Show me where it says you can use your data for anything you want and then your analogies will make perfect sense but until then......

sent from the great depths of my phones internet (thanks Al Gore)

I am paying for data on that device. If I use the data on that device, or it forwards some of that data to my other device, so long as I am not using more than my limit of data, it should not matter.

If I have an unlimited calling plan, and I let my girlfriend use my phone whenever she wants, is that stealing?

No but you aren't charged extra when someone uses your phone and racks up data either. Because that ONE device is covered. Now if you use your phone to supply data to your gf's phone now it is a issue.

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[czerdrill]

Not this again. Always boils down to two things. The people who swear they're doing nothing wrong when they know they are, and the smart people who know what a smartphone data plan is

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[UNC]

Then the gas pump can cut me off when I reach 5 gallons. if I want to use the garden hose instead of the straw, I will simply run out faster. Either way, it costs the gas pump company nothing. I am paying for my 5 gallons, so what does it matter if I want it through a garden hose or a straw?

What if I only use 2 gallons throw the hose, versus all 5 through my straw?

How is that stealing, when I paid for the 5 gallons in the first place, and in the end didn't even use it all?

This is like me paying for a 900 minute plan and never really using the minutes. So I let my girlfriend make calls on my phone because I have the extra minutes... And then the VZW police come along and cuff me because I was stealing minutes by sharing them with someone else?

Puhlease...

Maybe they should have a fingerprint scanner on the phone so that only I can use my "unlimited" calling minutes?

I mean, if I let someone borrow my phone for a bit and use up 100 of my minutes, they are STEALING, right?

Maybe Telco companies should operate this way. Every family member should have their own phone and fees. No more one phone line for a household of 4 and everyone can use it.

Maybe DirecTV should be like cell phone carriers, and so my $114 a month bill is just for me to watch TV. If other people want to watch it, which will surely add up to more hours than I could ever watch alone, then they should pay, right?

You're so far off in your analogies. You pay for unlimited data for ONE device. You can make millions of those analogies and none of them will hold any weight. Show me where it says you can use your data for anything you want and then your analogies will make perfect sense but until then......

sent from the great depths of my phones internet (thanks Al Gore)

I am paying for data on that device. If I use the data on that device, or it forwards some of that data to my other device, so long as I am not using more than my limit of data, it should not matter.

If I have an unlimited calling plan, and I let my girlfriend use my phone whenever she wants, is that stealing?

If in the contract that YOU signed it says "you cannot let anyone else use your minutes" then YES that is stealing. I know that the contract clearly states that tethering is banned...

Also, its not about how much total bandwidth you use, its about when you are using it and the rate of usage. If you use 5gbs in 1 hour it puts far more strain on the network than using 5gbs over a month. The total number you use is almost irrelevant. It is much easier to use data quickly on a CPU tethering than on the phone itself... Wouldn't you least agree with that?

 

[UNC]

Not this again. Always boils down to two things. The people who swear they're doing nothing wrong when they know they are, and the smart people who know what a smartphone data plan is

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I don't think it has as much to do with intelligence or academic achievement as much as it does with morals. People with good moral standing do not steal. Plain and simple.

 

[hookbill]

Not this again. Always boils down to two things. The people who swear they're doing nothing wrong when they know they are, and the smart people who know what a smartphone data plan is

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Holy Common Sense! czerdrill you just gained a full 10 points of respect for saying that.

 

[jkhonea]

Please hold for upcoming buffet comparisons again.

 

[OneTenderRebel]

Please hold for upcoming buffet comparisons again.

mmmm buffet's

 

[hookbill]

Not this again. Always boils down to two things. The people who swear they're doing nothing wrong when they know they are, and the smart people who know what a smartphone data plan is

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I don't think it has as much to do with intelligence or academic achievement as much as it does with morals. People with good moral standing do not steal. Plain and simple.

This is also very well said! Totally agree.