P3Droid: Some Food for Thought - Bootloaders, Rooting, Manufacturers, and Carriers

[OneTenderRebel]

If the data is coming through that device then how am I stealing ? I use the device outside it's intended purpose but the device is still being used for that data , I am not transferring the ability to another device then using it , the device in which am I paying the data usage for is still the data portal .

Here is an analogy for you.....

You have cable internet, your neighbor does not. So you run a splitter to his house so he can steal cable for free. How is tethering any different than that? Yes you pay for the cable but you don't pay to supply every Tom, Rich or Harry.

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How is he stealing if you are giving something you yourself a paying for .
I have a well and give my neighbor water from that well it is mien to do so .
Now if I have city water and share the water and accept payment , and key word would be "accept payment" then it would be illegal .
If you tether and using it exclusively for your own purpose and not selling the data then you are not breaking any laws .
Maybe greedy corporate laws of greed , your getting a service and we are not exploiting you for it .

Greedy corporate laws? Please do me a favor, quit your job, start a cable company. Give service to one person and then let them supply everyone in your area free cable. Then tell me what you think of those greedy corporate laws.

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[czerdrill]

Damn I detest control! It I pay for a device I should be allowed to modify as I wish. I'm willing to pay VZW their fees for service why should they or any other carrier care what I change. GO AWAY BIG RED CONTROLS!!!!!!!!!!!

AMEN Mike!!!!!!!!

Amen x3. If I pay for it, it's mine. Don't tell me how to use MY device and tell me what I can and can't put on it.

Lol they are telling you what to do and there's not a single thing you can do about it...except of course post on df about how greedy they are...

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[1linuxfreak]

I just wanted everyone to read this. And then read it again. If you're not sure about it, read it one more time. This is absolutely correct.

Sorry , but will have to disagree .
I do not tether , and probably never will , but rights are rights .
As long as I am using the device I am paying for the data usage on , it should not matter what devices I connect to with that device as long as that device is used for the data portal .

Yeah and I pay car insurance on my first car and it should extend to every other car I purchase with no extra cost to me. Ridiculous that it does not

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If your go test drive a new car you are covered by your insurance while you are in the vehicle , hmm !
Insurance is not data two different things , if you are pulling another vehicle with your first car with insurance the vehicle being pulled is covered , hmm , extended by tethering , hmm !

 

[1linuxfreak]

AMEN Mike!!!!!!!!

Amen x3. If I pay for it, it's mine. Don't tell me how to use MY device and tell me what I can and can't put on it.

Lol they are telling you what to do and there's not a single thing you can do about it...except of course post on df about how greedy they are...

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Or boycott until they see our side , money talks and so does loss of it . dancedroid

 

[Detonation]

Amen x3. If I pay for it, it's mine. Don't tell me how to use MY device and tell me what I can and can't put on it.

Lol they are telling you what to do and there's not a single thing you can do about it...except of course post on df about how greedy they are...

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Or boycott until they see our side , money talks and so does loss of it . dancedroid

Yea, the <1% of the millions of users that actually root and care about this is really gonna make a difference.

 

[czerdrill]

Amen x3. If I pay for it, it's mine. Don't tell me how to use MY device and tell me what I can and can't put on it.

Lol they are telling you what to do and there's not a single thing you can do about it...except of course post on df about how greedy they are...

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Or boycott until they see our side , money talks and so does loss of it . dancedroid

Which no one is doing. The "vzw is greedy" whiners do just that...whine. boycott and you'll understand that vzw doesn't care if you think you are owed something not guaranteed by

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[1linuxfreak]

Here is an analogy for you.....

You have cable internet, your neighbor does not. So you run a splitter to his house so he can steal cable for free. How is tethering any different than that? Yes you pay for the cable but you don't pay to supply every Tom, Rich or Harry.

sent from the great depths of my phones internet (thanks Al Gore)

How is he stealing if you are giving something you yourself a paying for .
I have a well and give my neighbor water from that well it is mien to do so .
Now if I have city water and share the water and accept payment , and key word would be "accept payment" then it would be illegal .
If you tether and using it exclusively for your own purpose and not selling the data then you are not breaking any laws .
Maybe greedy corporate laws of greed , your getting a service and we are not exploiting you for it .

Greedy corporate laws? Please do me a favor, quit your job, start a cable company. Give service to one person and then let them supply everyone in your area free cable. Then tell me what you think of those greedy corporate laws.

sent from the great depths of my phones internet (thanks Al Gore)

Tethering is not giving everyone use it just extending your own use through the data portal you are paying for . Now mobile hot spot , that might be another issue , then you are giving out data to others , tethering for your own personal use is not .

 

[BigMcGuire]

Lol they are telling you what to do and there's not a single thing you can do about it...except of course post on df about how greedy they are...

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Yeah there is something I can do about it. I rooted my phone and removed all that crap. lol.

 

[1linuxfreak]

Lol they are telling you what to do and there's not a single thing you can do about it...except of course post on df about how greedy they are...

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Or boycott until they see our side , money talks and so does loss of it . dancedroid

Yea, the <1% of the millions of users that actually root and care about this is really gonna make a difference.

I am sorry , you must have missed the little dancing Droid at the end of the statement indicating a joke .
Man some people just don't get the internet do they ?
Again smiley face is a meaning of JK (aka just kidding) , smile it is a joke , meaningless , making fun .

 

[hookbill]

Or boycott until they see our side , money talks and so does loss of it . dancedroid

This just makes me laugh so hard! People who root their phone are such a small percentage "boycott" would never work anymore then that silly petition to unlock the bootloader.

 

[UNC]

Not this again. Always boils down to two things. The people who swear they're doing nothing wrong when they know they are, and the smart people who know what a smartphone data plan is

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I don't think it has as much to do with intelligence or academic achievement as much as it does with morals. People with good moral standing do not steal. Plain and simple.

Lol where does Verizon fall into this catagory?


Either way I don't believe my network is slow because of the millions of unauthorized people tethering.
(Sarcasm)
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Who cares if Verizon falls into this category. Neither you nor I are the CEO of Verizon, so their moral decisions are completely up to them. But really, I like knowing when I look in the mirror that I am a good and honest person... that's all I care about.

 

[shmoo]

This is ridiculous! Why does everyone associate root with free tether! There are plenty of tether ap's on the ANDROID MARKET for nonroot users. Cracking down on root users has little to do with tethering. Think people, there is obviously something being overlooked here. The question that should be asked is what the motivation is behind locking down devices and eliminating root.

It seems to me that the carriers are trying to lock us out of root because in order to gain root we have to use an exploit in the code. That exploit is what lead to the malware that started to pop up. I may be wrong but that's how I read it.

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[Droid_3.0]

So basically we are all doomed to the lock downed non hackable fun killing version of an iphone but with android? wow all companys want is money and to be controlling and were all doomed to deal with it thats just sad i will use my Droid 1 untill it dies then ill go out and get a new one the droid 1 and Nexus one are the true Dev phones that allow freedom so if the phone companys wana be a-holes then let them ill keep the phone where they did right one Giving freedom to the people and if the modding community dies i guess ill have to find a new os the main reason i loved android is the freedom i got an ipod touch for Christmas i jailbreaked it but it wasn't that freedom of customarily but when i got my droid 1 for a early 14th birthday gift i was so excited and when i rooted my phone witch keep me up for like 12 hours though sbf and i flashed my first ever rom BB i didn't know much about roms and it sounded pretty good to me man that phone was the fastest thing ever games flew like it was nothing those are the days i wil l remember and for those of you who don't like me ranting about how awesome android is then you can go and buy a dam iphone for all i care Hay this is the internet and maby just maby Motorola and all other phone manufactures will see the error of there way but i fear that it will be to late for the Df community so while we still have some control over our phones ill be enjoying it to the fullest.

 

[SkullOne]

What's funny though is that if they want to blame rooted users for all the illegal tethering they need to go look at Easy Tether and PDA Net. Last I checked the two biggest tethering applications do NOT require root access. So what are they going to do? Blame the 1% of their user base that root for all things evil in the world when the other 99% can do the same exact thing?

I don't tether. Have never wanted too. However, I do want root access. It's MY $600 device. I will do whatever the hell I want with MY device. I don't want Blockbuster or Let's Golf 2. I don't want crappy ass Sense or Blur.

The carries and manufacturers can spout BS like "it's for user safety" all day long. It won't matter. If somebody want to exploit it for root access it will happen. I'm willing to bet 90% of those who root know what they're doing and why they are rooting. The other 10% do it with one clicks because they want to proclaim their "badassness" and show off their TOS breaking tether abilities, when their actual knowledge about Android is lower then a pet rock. That same 10% is probably made up of some of the morons who downloaded Sexy Screaming Japanese Girls and got infected by DroidDream.

If companies want to offer a "developer" phone that's fine. However, they better be up to par hardware wise and not priced into oblivion in order to try to discourage people from buying them. I'm sure there's a compromise in the middle that would be acceptable to all sides however, I honestly just don't see it happening as the greedy bastards just want to stick it to us.

 

[Oxymoron]

Actually I would trust quite a few people here on their word over something a VZW Rep said. One thing is certain, most vzw reps are as in the dark on these issues as we are as consumers.

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Oh, I'm not denying that there are people here that know more than the VZW reps. That is obvious. My point was that I don't pay my bill to anyone on droidforums.net. I pay it to Verizon.

Again though, it was not even offered at the time of my contract, and I was told to keep it under 5GB. Even though a "rep" may not know as much as someone else, ultimately they REPresent Verizon. Who else am I supposed to ask? Do I just keep asking a different person until the answer I get suits everyone on droidforums.net?

Again, when contract renewal comes up I will discuss this with whomever is servicing me at that time. If there is a fee, I will pass on that option... and I WON'T use it. I only do now because I was told I could.

I understand everyones point here. I am going to bow out of the tether portion of this discussion from now on though.

I apologize for being a part of the slight derailment of this thread. I agree that way too much concentration is on tethering.

As for root as a whole, I agree with what someone said about preinstalled bloatware. Android is supposed to be open. Leave the core gapps, and let us decide what we want from the market. In the least, allow us the ability to remove unwanted applications.

Does it really matter in the end though? Whatever is going to happen, is going to happen anyway. I love my D1. It's just plain fun. I'll keep rockin' this bad boy beyond my next device, all the way to true EOL. Original NES console in my pocket = awesome.

Everyone's opinion has value, we all just don't have the same one. I can live with that. That makes us individuals. I have learned a great deal from reading snippets on here from people "in the know", and I am VERY greatful. I only started posting recently. This place is a wealthy source of very good information.