P3Droid: Some Food for Thought - Bootloaders, Rooting, Manufacturers, and Carriers

[The Robot Cow]

My reason for rooting was to over/underclock my cpu at my will.
That way I can choose performance or be a little bit more conservative with my battery life.


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[barski]

The reason for me rooting was the Droid X's reboot issue (when first released) and the bloatware. Now I see devices and there OS's becoming more stable, better battery life, great displays (fps), and now with fast processors. Pretty much everything we tried to get out of our devices by rooting has been or shortly will be taken care of.

 

[zenit]

I would not have a problem with locking down of the phones if carriers/manufacturers let me easily remove bloat after the purchase and give an option to turn off the manufacturer skins to run stock android. These are the only reason i've ever rooted phones. I've never tethered or done anything to "steal" bandwidth.

At the same time i've never done any jailbreaking on my iPad/ old iPhone, simply because there is no bloatware to kill and I receive my updates right when Apple released them, not 6 months later like the case with Android phones.

So my point is - if they are going to lock it down, they should at least follow framework set up by Apple in their locked devices (i.e. make all updates come out when google releases them and have no non-google bloatware).

 

[returntosender]

Phones Don't Kill People

Just a quick note, if someone abuses a system, whether it be a cell service, the highway department, or taxes... then that person should be held responsible. Just because my car can break the speed limit doesn't mean I'm breaking the law by driving it. Using Verizon's logic though, means everyone should be in jail. Some kid could use a cell phone to call in a bomb threat to their school... should Verizon prevent phones from dialing schools between the hours of 8 and 3 every day? The idea that root and/or tethering are somehow the cause of all that's evil is ridiculous. Not everyone that roots a phone abuses the system, and not everyone that abuses the system has a rooted phone.

 

[devildog9999]

When a community this large takes on Big Red, it was bound to have implications. They want MONEY, and nothing more. They could care less if we like or love our devices, they want pure cold hard cash. Root = evil to those greedy corporate bastages. Root = "oh crap, I cannot get MORE money out of this user?" The inherent problem is really simple. We have no real unity to fight back. We all get on the forums and b*&^c and complain, but we all pay our bill every month. Until the people say "Enough" we will be ruled, and directed as they feel necessary. Sad days ahead I am afraid.

 

[SquireSCA]

Just my thoughts...don't see how they r gonna get away with this...

I paid for the phone, I'm not renting it from them! Its my property, I should be able to do whatever I want with it! I pay them every month to use their network, I should be able to do whatever I want with it....if I bought a tv from best buy they couldn't "take away" the option to turn it off and on simply because I use it to much....the cable company can't "throttle" channels because some ppl watch them to much!

I have no doubt this will come into action soon, and it will be a sad day for the android community

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When you buy a gun, its not ok to shoot someone with it. You cannot use your phone to steel teathering. Its a product and it helps create someone's job.

Exactly, further best buy doesn't supply your cable. If you were stealing cable, your cable provider would and could shut you down. I still fail to see how people can realistically argue that tethering is not stealing. Talk about denial. Its amazing

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Because for the 50th time, how can I steal data, when I am under my personal limit, that I am already paying for??

It isn't theft any more than buying a song from iTunes, and then plugging it into your car stereo and listening to it there instead of directly through the iPod.

Man, you guys are perfectly ripe for whatever the VZW marketing department spoon feeds you. Luckily there them, there are more of you than there are of me, so they can get away with it and laugh all the way to the bank.

 

[czerdrill]

When you buy a gun, its not ok to shoot someone with it. You cannot use your phone to steel teathering. Its a product and it helps create someone's job.

Exactly, further best buy doesn't supply your cable. If you were stealing cable, your cable provider would and could shut you down. I still fail to see how people can realistically argue that tethering is not stealing. Talk about denial. Its amazing

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Because for the 50th time, how can I steal data, when I am under my personal limit, that I am already paying for??

It isn't theft any more than buying a song from iTunes, and then plugging it into your car stereo and listening to it there instead of directly through the iPod.

Man, you guys are perfectly ripe for whatever the VZW marketing department spoon feeds you. Luckily there them, there are more of you than there are of me, so they can get away with it and laugh all the way to the bank.

What's ripe is that you think that when you buy a smartphone data plan that translates to a free ISP for your house. And again...if you really think "it don't matter cuz I pay for it", why don't you call VZW and tell them that instead of whining about it here? Because, you know "it do matter", or since you claim that there's "more of us then you" why don't you boycott VZW? Seriously, you people all blow the same smoke with no substance. It gets tired after a while.

 

[SquireSCA]

If the data is coming through that device then how am I stealing ? I use the device outside it's intended purpose but the device is still being used for that data , I am not transferring the ability to another device then using it , the device in which am I paying the data usage for is still the data portal .

Don't be obtuse. You know you're trying to play semantics.

Which is exactly what VZW is doing, ironically...

 

[SquireSCA]

You DO NOT pay for unlimited data for anything you want. You pay for unlimited data for one device and one device only. How do people not understand that. The analogies are all just justifications for making yourself feel ok about tethering.

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If the data is coming through that device then how am I stealing ? I use the device outside it's intended purpose but the device is still being used for that data , I am not transferring the ability to another device then using it , the device in which am I paying the data usage for is still the data portal .

Here is an analogy for you.....

You have cable internet, your neighbor does not. So you run a splitter to his house so he can steal cable for free. How is tethering any different than that? Yes you pay for the cable but you don't pay to supply every Tom, Rich or Harry.

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Because we are not giving the data to other people?

Why is this so hard to understand?

*I* Pay for the inlimited data plan, and *I* occasionally plug my laptop into my phone, and while doing so, always stay about 50% of my total allotted usage for the month.

I am not giving it away to other people, I barely even use it myself.

 

[OneTenderRebel]

If the data is coming through that device then how am I stealing ? I use the device outside it's intended purpose but the device is still being used for that data , I am not transferring the ability to another device then using it , the device in which am I paying the data usage for is still the data portal .

Here is an analogy for you.....

You have cable internet, your neighbor does not. So you run a splitter to his house so he can steal cable for free. How is tethering any different than that? Yes you pay for the cable but you don't pay to supply every Tom, Rich or Harry.

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Because we are not giving the data to other people?

Why is this so hard to understand?

*I* Pay for the inlimited data plan, and *I* occasionally plug my laptop into my phone, and while doing so, always stay about 50% of my total allotted usage for the month.

I am not giving it away to other people, I barely even use it myself.

I was going off your cable box analogies from earlier. Plus how is not getting through to you that is in your contract you cannot tether. That ends any argument you have. You may be making all the best points ever, which you aren't, but because it is in the contract no matter how you justify it you are wrong, end of story.

 

[czerdrill]

Here is an analogy for you.....

You have cable internet, your neighbor does not. So you run a splitter to his house so he can steal cable for free. How is tethering any different than that? Yes you pay for the cable but you don't pay to supply every Tom, Rich or Harry.

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Because we are not giving the data to other people?

Why is this so hard to understand?

*I* Pay for the inlimited data plan, and *I* occasionally plug my laptop into my phone, and while doing so, always stay about 50% of my total allotted usage for the month.

I am not giving it away to other people, I barely even use it myself.

I was going off your cable box analogies from earlier. Plus how is not getting through to you that is in your contract you cannot tether. That ends any argument you have. You may be making all the best points ever, which you aren't, but because it is in the contract no matter how you justify it you are wrong, end of story.

Exactly. It doesn't matter how fair it is, how right it is, how awesome or uncool it is, it's in your contract, and you agreed to your contract, and when you tether your in violation of your contract. This is not rocket science, and any one arguing otherwise is simply justifying (sorry, weakly attempting to justify) what they know is wrong.

 

[Joneser2006]

Funny, people are complaining about VZW greedy...

and, technically, when we root and turn off ads, we are stealing, especially from the hard working devs who depend on ad support because we're too cheap to throw a couple of bucks their way. This post from P3 is bothering me.

 

[SquireSCA]

Here is an analogy for you.....

You have cable internet, your neighbor does not. So you run a splitter to his house so he can steal cable for free. How is tethering any different than that? Yes you pay for the cable but you don't pay to supply every Tom, Rich or Harry.

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How is he stealing if you are giving something you yourself a paying for .
I have a well and give my neighbor water from that well it is mien to do so .
Now if I have city water and share the water and accept payment , and key word would be "accept payment" then it would be illegal .
If you tether and using it exclusively for your own purpose and not selling the data then you are not breaking any laws .
Maybe greedy corporate laws of greed , your getting a service and we are not exploiting you for it .

Greedy corporate laws? Please do me a favor, quit your job, start a cable company. Give service to one person and then let them supply everyone in your area free cable. Then tell me what you think of those greedy corporate laws.

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Please show me one person that is here that rooted, that is providing their neighborhhod with "free" internet over the VZW data plan.

That is not, nor has it even been part of the discussion.

Rooting is not about tethering no matter how much you try to sit on your high horse and make it so. And if I am paying for the data, and I am using it(not anyone else), then you have no point.

Remember the old days when you had cable and they tried to charge you for each TV you had it hooked up to? Now they charge you for how many portals, how many cable box tuners or DVR's you have. But if you want to take the cable and plug it into one of YOUR digital TV's and have cable in that room, they no longer care.

Wireless phones are where cable was 20 years ago in this regard. In an effort to post profits they are trying to milk everything that they can, and what will happen is that people will get fed up and there will be a demand in the market for something better, and someone will step up and provide it, make tons of money and the wireless carriers will have to change their way of doing things if they want to compete.

If I pay to have cable piped into my house, and I pay for the installation and the DVR for the living room, but my house was pre-wired for cable and I want a raw feed of the basic channels to go up to my bedroom, nobody cares and I am not a criminal for doing so.

 

[OneTenderRebel]

People's sense of entitlement is just ridiculous. Everything is "mine, mine mine" and "now, now, now". I don't have my contract anymore but does anyone have theirs and can take a nice picture where it says tethering is against ToS. I am not saying I haven't tethered or rooted my phone. I have done both but I know full well there could be consequences from doing so. I don't look down on anyone for tethering but I am also not so naive to think I am entitled to supply my entire house with internet because I have unlimited data on one phone.

 

[dodgersrgood]

I agree I don't see how as long as you are the only one using the data and not letting someone else use it then what the problem is...

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