P3Droid: Some Food for Thought - Bootloaders, Rooting, Manufacturers, and Carriers

[tcayton49]

The disconnects from logic and reality on this forum are mindboggling. People are picking and choosing 3 words from an entire post and arguing that so they can keep up the pretense that there actions are justified. Any points that show how wrong they are just end up being completely ignored"(i've yet to read where anyone who thinks tethering is ok has responded to the fact that its against verizons TOS) And some people are just coming up with the most extreme/ridiculous analogies that have nothing to do with anything trying to save face. I guess some people were just raised to never admit to being wrong. Its great to see passion in the community, its just sad to see that passion blind people.

 

[SquireSCA]

Exactly. It doesn't matter how fair it is, how right it is, how awesome or uncool it is, it's in your contract, and you agreed to your contract, and when you tether your in violation of your contract. This is not rocket science, and any one arguing otherwise is simply justifying (sorry, weakly attempting to justify) what they know is wrong.

My contract is for an "unlimited" data plan.

And yet, VZW can and will impose limits on bandwidth.

Their contract contradicts itself and is a violation of that contract in spirit, if not in the letter of the law.

please tell me exactly how they impose limits on bandwidth. If you use tethering just don't even respond because like we have said 486 million times to you, it is clearly in the contract you cannot tether.

Data is rumored to be capped and throttled after a certain limit, 5GB by many reports.

Do you root? If so, then according to Verizon, you are every bit as guilty as anyone who tethers. They are not targeting people who tether. They are targeting people that root.

So, do you?

If so, then I don't want to hear about it, as in VZW's eyes you are part of the problem, and are actively being targeted as such.

 

[OneTenderRebel]

My contract is for an "unlimited" data plan.

And yet, VZW can and will impose limits on bandwidth.

Their contract contradicts itself and is a violation of that contract in spirit, if not in the letter of the law.

please tell me exactly how they impose limits on bandwidth. If you use tethering just don't even respond because like we have said 486 million times to you, it is clearly in the contract you cannot tether.

The contract you sign is no different than apples.It did not stand against the supreme court and this won't either. No contract like that since has stood against the supreme courts ruleing.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

You are reading far too much into the supreme court ruling. What was ruled was that it's not "illegal" to jailbreak your iPhone. But Apple and AT&T can still void your warranty and can still push updates to unbreak your phone.

 

[hookbill]

game over, man.

this is pretty dissapointing. i mean, i understand... up to a certain point. but it isn't like every single person out there who has rooted is looking to "steal" from their carriers. some people just want to have a lot of fun tweaking and customizing their devices to suit their preferences. i take the stance that most people out there are basically honest and know right from wrong.

at first it sounded corny how i was really looking forward to a future with android phones. now it just sounds niave. what a shame. oh well, move on.

Not exactly. Yes, rooting may have come to an end, but rooted or not my phone is customized the way I want it. You don't like the blur, trash it and either replace or leave it empty. You can still do a lot of things with the Droid without rooting.

I've already found (thanks to a member) a one button cache cleaner that works with non rooted phones. Other "root only" apps will be made available.

 

[OneTenderRebel]

My contract is for an "unlimited" data plan.

And yet, VZW can and will impose limits on bandwidth.

Their contract contradicts itself and is a violation of that contract in spirit, if not in the letter of the law.

please tell me exactly how they impose limits on bandwidth. If you use tethering just don't even respond because like we have said 486 million times to you, it is clearly in the contract you cannot tether.

Data is rumored to be capped and throttled after a certain limit, 5GB by many reports.

Do you root? If so, then according to Verizon, you are every bit as guilty as anyone who tethers. They are not targeting people who tether. They are targeting people that root.

So, do you?

If so, then I don't want to hear about it, as in VZW's eyes you are part of the problem, and are actively being targeted as such.

dude I am done with your nonsense. I am not making a claim that people are bad for rooting or tethering. I know that when I rooted I broke my contract with VZW and if I brick my phone I am paying full retail for a new one. Don't play that holier than thou crap now.

 

[czerdrill]

Because for the 50th time, how can I steal data, when I am under my personal limit, that I am already paying for??

It isn't theft any more than buying a song from iTunes, and then plugging it into your car stereo and listening to it there instead of directly through the iPod.

Man, you guys are perfectly ripe for whatever the VZW marketing department spoon feeds you. Luckily there them, there are more of you than there are of me, so they can get away with it and laugh all the way to the bank.

What's ripe is that you think that when you buy a smartphone data plan that translates to a free ISP for your house. And again...if you really think "it don't matter cuz I pay for it", why don't you call VZW and tell them that instead of whining about it here? Because, you know "it do matter", or since you claim that there's "more of us then you" why don't you boycott VZW? Seriously, you people all blow the same smoke with no substance. It gets tired after a while.

Where have I or anyone else said that I expect a free ISP for my house?

You are arguing a point that nobody has made.

1) I am not using it for an ISP, I pay $70 a month for Comcast for that.

2) I am also paying $130 a month for my phone and "unlimited data".

So explain to me what I am stealing. I am paying for internet service and data, twice, to two different companies. So what exactly am I stealing?

You're providing an internet connection to a device that you do not have an internet plan for. I mean seriously, i understand that you're trying to justify what you're doing (TRYING being the key word), but seriously, you're failing at this.

You bought a data plan for an android phone. The contract that you signed, that CLEARLY you did not read, states that it is only for that phone. The contract that you signed, that you CLEARLY did not read, also states that tethering is a violation of this contract. You're arguing quite literally for the sake of arguing. You are a textbook example of someone thinking you are owed something you are not. What makes you sound even more ridiculous is the fact that you agreed, by signing a contract that you CLEARLY did not read, that you were not owed what your whining about.

"I know if I tether, I'm violating my contract, and my signature proves that I know this. Wait, why does tethering violate my contract??? This is ridiculous!!! I agreed that tethering violates my contract and my signature proves that I agree, but tethering VIOLATES MY CONTRACT??? OMG!!!"... do you not see how ridiculous and baseless your argument is? CLEARLY not.

 

[SquireSCA]

My contract is for an "unlimited" data plan.

And yet, VZW can and will impose limits on bandwidth.

Their contract contradicts itself and is a violation of that contract in spirit, if not in the letter of the law.

please tell me exactly how they impose limits on bandwidth. If you use tethering just don't even respond because like we have said 486 million times to you, it is clearly in the contract you cannot tether.

The contract you sign is no different than apples.It did not stand against the supreme court and this won't either. No contract like that since has stood against the supreme courts ruleing.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

Correct, just as has happened when people sign a waiver at an amusement park, and some ride cuts off your arm. The waiver will not hold up in court and you can sue and will likely win your case.

People willingly and knowingly smoke cigarettes and when they get cancer, they sued, and many won. The states themselves, that take in more revenue from tobacco sales than the tobacco companies themselves make(60% of the price are taxes, which is pure profit for the government), sued the tobacco companies and won. People made conscious decisions to smoke for decades and when they got sick, the states that profited off of those tobacco sales sued the tobacco companies and won hundreds of millions of dollars.

The point is that they can put what they want in a contract, but these things have been challenged and sometimes they carriers or the manufacturer loses. You have certain inherent rights as a customer purchasing a product and you cannot always just sign those rights away because a corporation wants a new revenue stream...

 

[czerdrill]

please tell me exactly how they impose limits on bandwidth. If you use tethering just don't even respond because like we have said 486 million times to you, it is clearly in the contract you cannot tether.

The contract you sign is no different than apples.It did not stand against the supreme court and this won't either. No contract like that since has stood against the supreme courts ruleing.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

You are reading far too much into the supreme court ruling. What was ruled was that it's not "illegal" to jailbreak your iPhone. But Apple and AT&T can still void your warranty and can still push updates to unbreak your phone.

Apparently the Supreme Court ruling not only said its ok to jailbreak your phone, it's also ok to violate your signed contracts at will. Quite a groundbreaking decision by the Supreme Court if I do say so myself...

 

[TRIKOTRET]

after this article released does that mean no GB love for us D2G owners. I like to have some GB love before things get worse :icon_ banana:

after this article released does that mean no GB love for us D2G owners. I like to have some GB love before things get worse :icon_ banana:

No, it doesn't. Why would you think that, it has nothing at all to do with upgrades from Verion?

NOt verizon. I meant the GB leak like the ones for x and D2

 

[hookbill]

The disconnects from logic and reality on this forum are mindboggling. People are picking and choosing 3 words from an entire post and arguing that so they can keep up the pretense that there actions are justified. Any points that show how wrong they are just end up being completely ignored"(i've yet to read where anyone who thinks tethering is ok has responded to the fact that its against verizons TOS) And some people are just coming up with the most extreme/ridiculous analogies that have nothing to do with anything trying to save face. I guess some people were just raised to never admit to being wrong. Its great to see passion in the community, its just sad to see that passion blind people.

Nope, not one person has commented about TOS. It's been totally ignored by everyone who is doing the iPhone/jailbreak comparison.

 

[SquireSCA]

The contract you sign is no different than apples.It did not stand against the supreme court and this won't either. No contract like that since has stood against the supreme courts ruleing.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

You are reading far too much into the supreme court ruling. What was ruled was that it's not "illegal" to jailbreak your iPhone. But Apple and AT&T can still void your warranty and can still push updates to unbreak your phone.

Apparently the Supreme Court ruling not only said its ok to jailbreak your phone, it's also ok to violate your signed contracts at will. Quite a groundbreaking decision by the Supreme Court if I do say so myself...

Did you root?

Then you are guilty, regardless of whether you tether daily or have tethered 4 times in the past 7 months as I have.

They are targeting ROOTERS, not just tetherers. People that have never tethered, are under scrutiny and attack because they rooted.

 

[Oxymoron]

Y'all be actin crazy yo.

 

[dfuser312553]

All this bickering for nothing.

 

[OneTenderRebel]

You are reading far too much into the supreme court ruling. What was ruled was that it's not "illegal" to jailbreak your iPhone. But Apple and AT&T can still void your warranty and can still push updates to unbreak your phone.

Apparently the Supreme Court ruling not only said its ok to jailbreak your phone, it's also ok to violate your signed contracts at will. Quite a groundbreaking decision by the Supreme Court if I do say so myself...

Did you root?

Then you are guilty, regardless of whether you tether daily or have tethered 4 times in the past 7 months as I have.

They are targeting ROOTERS, not just tetherers. People that have never tethered, are under scrutiny and attack because they rooted.

Seriously no one is trying to argue that here. I have no idea what point you are trying to make now.

 

[TRIKOTRET]

All this bickering for nothing.

I agree. i should attach barney song, YOu love me I love you etccccc dancedroid