[Updated] Verizon To Officially Reveal Tiered Data Plans July 7th; Plans Leaked Below

[Cmking76]

the problem is Verizon has the best phone coverage. people who travel. alot really have anywhere to go but Verizon. for those who say they wollgo to sprint with the other big 2 doing this how long do you think it will take sprint.my guess(which means nothing) would be within the year

 

[Vakharn]

This is not saying that people who burn more than 5 gigs don't do it honest. I can see during a vacation or a busy month going over 5 gigs on the phone alone. But tier is here and it would not be a bad idea to get a DSL ....ogle cable modem. But with that said I pay 60 for high speed through my cable company and 30 for data on Vzw. If I was to get the 80 gig plan through Vzw it would be cheaper then what I am paying now combining high speed data both Vzw.

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That works fine for you, but as I keep saying not everyone uses data the same way, even legitimately. I burn 5-8GB a month on my phone with no tethering, and I also go through anywhere from 80-400GB a month with my Fios connection that I share with my girlfriend (also a heavy data user). I never use my 3g connection when wifi is available because wifi is faster. Sure, I should pay more for my data then someone who only uses 200mb a month, but to force me to pay as much as 2.7x what I am currently for my data is rediculous. Hell If I could use dat instead of minutes I gladly would. I am on a family plan and between the two of us we use on average 50 of our 700 minutes a month, but we can't get any less than that.

 

[barski]

the problem is Verizon has the best phone coverage. people who travel. alot really have anywhere to go but Verizon. for those who say they wollgo to sprint with the other big 2 doing this how long do you think it will take sprint.my guess(which means nothing) would be within the year

While we're on the traveling topic.
I like to use my GPS on my Droid X/X2 when traveling. Arial view is a must, and im sure downloading those images burns a fair amount of data on a longer trip. I can see how these new plans could get expensive real quick. I wonder if they will start sending you an alert via text when you get within 50mb?

 

[Cmking76]

the problem is Verizon has the best phone coverage. people who travel. alot really have anywhere to go but Verizon. for those who say they wollgo to sprint with the other big 2 doing this how long do you think it will take sprint.my guess(which means nothing) would be within the year

While we're on the traveling topic.
I like to use my GPS on my Droid X/X2 when traveling. Arial view is a must, and im sure downloading those images burns a fair amount of data on a longer trip. I can see how these new plans could get expensive real quick. I wonder if they will start sending you an alert via text when you get within 50mb?

haha nope just going. to smile quietly and open their wallets again this. is just a guess

 

[bplewis24]

Are you using WiFi at all? I don't.

I use wifi a lot, but never for streaming music. I only stream music when I'm on 3g because I'm actually driving around, or outdoors playing golf or coaching football.

Maybe next billing cycle I'll leave wifi off the entire month and see what the data usage looks like. My billing cycle starts in like 3 days.

all they have to do data bullets like cable company does to find people using illegal cable

or just use tiers.

Except they are allegedly using tiers AND charging for tethering still. That is ridiculous.

I think he's getting at some like this:

2 minutes of 3G = 4 MB
2 minutes of 4G = 40MB

With the faster speeds you are inclined to "do more"

Kinda like your cable/fios connections at your home. When you had dial up you would just turn on ESPN and wait for the news. It's just faster. BUT once you got cable/fios you just stay on the PC

While that is potentially true, that is not a necessary truth for all people. It's only true if you want it to be. I don't have all the free time in the world to download all the data I want. I download the data I need the majority of the time. If I get it in 30 seconds as opposed to 300 seconds, then I go on about my business, either getting back to work, or working out, or coaching, etc. The only real data hog for me is Pandora. No matter how fast I download the song, it still takes the same amount of time to listen to it...so I won't be using more data on Pandora. Some people may spend more time gobbling up more data, but that is a choice they make... they don't have to.

The only way I would use more data is because when I watch youtube clips of Starcraft 2 broadcasts, I would be able to watch them in "HQ" instead of "SQ." That = more data. I often do this on wifi anyway, so it may not matter. But streaming high quality video is the real data hog when done over 4g.

Brandon

 

[jseah]

but are there really "many" that use 2GB+ legitimately or not? the numbers would disagree with you. if 95% use less then 600MB and 99% use less then 5GB, I think it's a safe assumption that not many people use 2GB a month. It does suck for those like you that do, but again, you are the one in the minority (and a very very small minority at that)...

With Android known to be a data-intensive operating system, it is easy to use up 2 GB legitimately. All you have to do is rely on the cellular network totally and not use WiFi. And I would think that the vast majority of smartphone users (which would greatly outnumber us that frequent forums like this) most likely DON'T use WiFi and DO use the cellular network.

Here is the data usage from my 5 lines, all on Android phones, for the past 3 months, chronologically in reverse (most recent month first), with 99.9% of the data usage being on the cellular network.

Line 1 (Thunderbolt) - 770 MB, 2033 MB, 1473 MB
Line 2 (Thunderbolt) - 819 MB, 1065 MB, 634 MB
Line 3 (Droid 1) - 220 MB, 427 MB, 505 MB
Line 4 (Droid Incredible) - 1575 MB, 1987 MB, 1172 MB
Line 5 (Droid Incredible) - 362 MB, 537 MB, 757 MB

I only included three months because prior to that lines 3-5 were not Android phones. Two were Blackberries and one was a feature phone. Also, these three months were full months with the Droids on them. A few things I have noticed analyzing my lines:

1. Line 1 is mine and prior to the Thunderbolt I was using the Droid 1. For those months when I was using the Droid 1, my data usage typically ran around 300-500 MB per month. My usage habits really haven't changed much, except for downloading interesting free apps for the day from the Amazon App store so I am downloading a bit more than before, and with the Thunderbolt, Verizon's Backup Assistant is set to sync (this is not available in the Droid 1). That 2 GB month also included the Thunderbolt update (which I downloaded off the cellular network) and with the rebooting issue, required me to do a factory reset which meant that all my apps had to be re-downloaded.

2. Line 2 is my wife's. Prior to these three months she had a string of several months (when she was on a Droid 2, before it was stolen and I replaced it with the Thunderbolt) where she was streaming a lot of Asian soap operas using the browser and Adobe Flash. Those months she was averaging between 8-9 GB per month.

3. Line 4 is my daughter's. She doesn't stream music or Netflix, but she Twitters and uses Facebook a lot.

And I would suspect, with stuff like Netflix and cloud storage becoming vogue and encouraging people to use more data, average data use will go up.

 

[czerdrill]

but are there really "many" that use 2GB+ legitimately or not? the numbers would disagree with you. if 95% use less then 600MB and 99% use less then 5GB, I think it's a safe assumption that not many people use 2GB a month. It does suck for those like you that do, but again, you are the one in the minority (and a very very small minority at that)...

With Android known to be a data-intensive operating system, it is easy to use up 2 GB legitimately. All you have to do is rely on the cellular network totally and not use WiFi. And I would think that the vast majority of smartphone users (which would greatly outnumber us that frequent forums like this) most likely DON'T use WiFi and DO use the cellular network.

Here is the data usage from my 5 lines, all on Android phones, for the past 3 months, chronologically in reverse (most recent month first), with 99.9% of the data usage being on the cellular network.

Line 1 (Thunderbolt) - 770 MB, 2033 MB, 1473 MB
Line 2 (Thunderbolt) - 819 MB, 1065 MB, 634 MB
Line 3 (Droid 1) - 220 MB, 427 MB, 505 MB
Line 4 (Droid Incredible) - 1575 MB, 1987 MB, 1172 MB
Line 5 (Droid Incredible) - 362 MB, 537 MB, 757 MB

I only included three months because prior to that lines 3-5 were not Android phones. Two were Blackberries and one was a feature phone. Also, these three months were full months with the Droids on them. A few things I have noticed analyzing my lines:

1. Line 1 is mine and prior to the Thunderbolt I was using the Droid 1. For those months when I was using the Droid 1, my data usage typically ran around 300-500 MB per month. My usage habits really haven't changed much, except for downloading interesting free apps for the day from the Amazon App store so I am downloading a bit more than before, and with the Thunderbolt, Verizon's Backup Assistant is set to sync (this is not available in the Droid 1). That 2 GB month also included the Thunderbolt update (which I downloaded off the cellular network) and with the rebooting issue, required me to do a factory reset which meant that all my apps had to be re-downloaded.

2. Line 2 is my wife's. Prior to these three months she had a string of several months (when she was on a Droid 2, before it was stolen and I replaced it with the Thunderbolt) where she was streaming a lot of Asian soap operas using the browser and Adobe Flash. Those months she was averaging between 8-9 GB per month.

3. Line 4 is my daughter's. She doesn't stream music or Netflix, but she Twitters and uses Facebook a lot.

And I would suspect, with stuff like Netflix and cloud storage becoming vogue and encouraging people to use more data, average data use will go up.

yeah but my point is data consumption research show that you are the anomaly and not the other way around. it's been shown that 95% don't use 600MB, and 99% dont use 5GB. that's why i said its a small amount who uses 2GB a month. It sucks for that small percent sure, but it is a small percent regardless. That doesn't mean you can't use a crapload of data if you wanted to, the point is people just don't.

i dont disagree that usage is going to go up, but it's not going to go from 95% not using 600MB to 95% using 10GB/month. that's not a logical progression and that's not what's going to happen.

 

[czerdrill]

While you may not care, and many less-power user won't either, there are also many others than use 2GB+ data a month legitimately, myself included. When I added the new expense of a smartphone, I made it worth it by using it to its fullest. I got rid of my ipod and now stream a lot of music. I sync a lot of stuff to the cloud. I watch videos when I travel. The bottom line is that they are providing less for the same price. Obviously without unlimited, its always going to be less, but the $30 price point could have been something a little more than 2GB. And for users like you, they could offer a smaller package for less than $30. But of course they would never do that because that means ton of people paying the required $30/mo would now start paying less, and they'd lose money.

but are there really "many" that use 2GB+ legitimately or not? the numbers would disagree with you. if 95% use less then 600MB and 99% use less then 5GB, I think it's a safe assumption that not many people use 2GB a month. It does suck for those like you that do, but again, you are the one in the minority (and a very very small minority at that)...

Thats just doesnt seem to be true though. Fact is Im not what you would consider a heavy user and I dont tehter. I used 1.4 gigs last month on 3g. I know for a fact that I would use more on 4g, becasue some stuff on the phone is just too slow for me so I dont do it. Im sure on 4g I will easily use more then 2 gigs of data.

well i can't sit here and say "yes it's 100% true" because obviously i didn't do the study or research or have access to any of that data. However, I tend to believe actual studies or research then someone on a forum (no offense to you). you're in that small percentage that uses more then 600MB and less than 5GB. that doesn't mean your a majority, or even close.

 

[huskur]

If my phone was faster i would do more on it also. When i need true speed i jump on a PC either at work or at home. If my phone were "as fast" or "close to as fast" I would speculate that i would be using it more. I am in the catch 22. The last 3 months for me was: 1877 MB, 3194 MB, and 2160 MB. On the other hand my wifes was: 657 MB, 722 MB, and 588 MB. So if i ever had to give up an unlimited plan i would hope for a family 5 GB share option. That would work for me but if there was no share i would be paying substantially more for my line while my wifes line is way under.

 

[Cmking76]

studies don't reallymean much they a year or more to compile plus the time it takes to get it by the time anyone sees it it's already old news plus what's. with all the hate for minorities can't we all just get along..
...just saying

 

[jseah]

yeah but my point is data consumption research show that you are the anomaly and not the other way around. it's been shown that 95% don't use 600MB, and 99% dont use 5GB. that's why i said its a small amount who uses 2GB a month. It sucks for that small percent sure, but it is a small percent regardless. That doesn't mean you can't use a crapload of data if you wanted to, the point is people just don't.

i dont disagree that usage is going to go up, but it's not going to go from 95% not using 600MB to 95% using 10GB/month. that's not a logical progression and that's not what's going to happen.

I think you have your numbers mixed up a bit. In the Nielsen study, the 600 MB is the average data usage. So that would take into account the 1 GB that I use, as well as the 300 kb that hookbill uses each month. It also says (and AT&T claimed the same thing) that 95% of users use less than 2 GB per month, which technically all 5 of my lines (with certain exceptions) would meet.

Besides, I do think that the Nielsen study may be statistically skewed as well. The study was done by compiling data from the cell providers themselves, so it only considers data that was transmitted using the cellular network. It doesn't consider any data that a smartphone user may be accessing using a WiFi network. Is it off by just a few MB per month, or off by a few hundred? I don't know.

 

[czerdrill]

studies don't reallymean much they a year or more to compile plus the time it takes to get it by the time anyone sees it it's already old news plus what's. with all the hate for minorities can't we all just get along..
...just saying

ha so if a study doesn't mean much, why would what one person on a forum says mean much? again, i'm going to side with a study, especially given the statement you just made.

 

[czerdrill]

yeah but my point is data consumption research show that you are the anomaly and not the other way around. it's been shown that 95% don't use 600MB, and 99% dont use 5GB. that's why i said its a small amount who uses 2GB a month. It sucks for that small percent sure, but it is a small percent regardless. That doesn't mean you can't use a crapload of data if you wanted to, the point is people just don't.

i dont disagree that usage is going to go up, but it's not going to go from 95% not using 600MB to 95% using 10GB/month. that's not a logical progression and that's not what's going to happen.

I think you have your numbers mixed up a bit. In the Nielsen study, the 600 MB is the average data usage. So that would take into account the 1 GB that I use, as well as the 300 kb that hookbill uses each month. It also says (and AT&T claimed the same thing) that 95% of users use less than 2 GB per month, which technically all 5 of my lines (with certain exceptions) would meet.

Besides, I do think that the Nielsen study may be statistically skewed as well. The study was done by compiling data from the cell providers themselves, so it only considers data that was transmitted using the cellular network. It doesn't consider any data that a smartphone user may be accessing using a WiFi network. Is it off by just a few MB per month, or off by a few hundred? I don't know.

sorry you are right, it was an average use. i misread it.

 

[jseah]

And also bear in mind that the Nielsen study also showed that for the 95th percentile (those under 2 GB per month), their data usage from the previous year to current year has increased 109%. If you assume the same growth rate (which wouldn't necessarily be out of line), by 2012 those same 95th percentile will be using under 3 GB per month (if the growth is progressive) or under 4 GB per month (if the growth is geometric and it is doubling each year). So this would mean that one year after implementing tiered data plans, the subscribers who will be paying the same ($30 for 2 GB) is going to be paying more because they will get hit with overages.

 

[czerdrill]

And also bear in mind that the Nielsen study also showed that for the 95th percentile (those under 2 GB per month), their data usage from the previous year to current year has increased 109%. If you assume the same growth rate (which wouldn't necessarily be out of line), by 2012 those same 95th percentile will be using under 3 GB per month (if the growth is progressive) or under 4 GB per month (if the growth is geometric and it is doubling each year). So this would mean that one year after implementing tiered data plans, the subscribers who will be paying the same ($30 for 2 GB) is going to be paying more because they will get hit with overages.

and that's exactly why tiers are necessary. as i already agreed to, the usage is increasing exponentially and so are the amount of people who own smartphones. there is no way verizon could maintain a viable network if data consumption is increasing like that. like i said if their LTE network was giving you 3G speeds, everyone would be up in arms.