[Updated] Verizon To Officially Reveal Tiered Data Plans July 7th; Plans Leaked Below

[DanSan]

Details Of Verizon’s New Data Plans « iOSDroid

 

[jseah]

i dont know, i hope for the sake of the people who want (not need) unlimited that its true. but i remember a couple of years back verizon voice plan switched from America's choice to Nationwide calling or some crap (pretty much the same voice plan, just a different name that cost more) and would tell you "your phone is not compatible with the old plan" and force you to switch to the new one. They could just do the same thing here.

In other words, grandfathering is not some privilege or something guaranteed. They can just say that your new device is incompatible with the new plan or something. They've done it before, so they could do it again.

I believe they only did that with the Voyager (and one or two other phone). So they didn't require everyone to switch.

 

[jroc]

And the folks who did that Friends n Family deal and got their plans knocked down to 9.99 or 19.99...make me sick...lol

 

[pc747]

The only solution right now is to evolve. You have time to get it right. Its one thing if Vzw said this plan was going to start tomorrow and everyone is forced into it. Its just like when you buy a new device or when you first bought an android device. It took you time to realize to turn every thing off when not in use and to lower display brightness to save battery. We all knew it was coming. For those living in an are where you can get high speed look and see if it would be cheaper to get it for the house, especially if you are a data intensive family. Turn wifi on when all possible. Don't leave auto sync on, it really is not that important for your phone to update every Facebook profile while its in your pocket. You don't need the weather to update every hour, before smart phones people looked outside or looked at the paper. Download songs and build up your mp3 player. There are ways you can get bye with out hogging data all the time. For those of you who are on the road a lot I will have to agree that this is going to be hard on you. Its not like you can put a wifi antenna on the hood of your semi truck.

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[jseah]

FWIW, this will be a HUGE boost for smartphone activations over the next two weeks.

 

[czerdrill]

THe problem that I have with it goes back to the buffet analogy. If they say all you can eat for $30 a month, and so as time goes on you gain the capacity to eat more, and so they just start jacking up the price... I don't agree with that.

They were the ones that said all you can eat. And they have been pushing phones, showing Netflix and streaming video and touting all the cool things they want you to do with the phone. So people start doing that, and once people are using the phones as they have been sold to them, VZW wants to complain that data is being consumed and that they need to charge more for it?

I understand the need to make money, been in Corporate America a long time and am very pro-Capitalist and all that. However, I do think that there are times when these companies get greedy, they think that enough people are hooked and that they can tighten the screws and that the majority of their customers will just suck it up and pay up.

Now, the average person may not use more than 2GB. And if that is the case, if most people don't use that much, then how stressed is their network really? I mean, if using too much bandwidth is part of the justification for the massive price increase, and yet they say that most people never come close to that amount of data, then is it really justified?

Or is it simple a case of them seeing a million users who obviously do use/need that much data, and figuring, "Hey, an extra $30 a month on average, times 125,000 high bandwidth customers, is $45 million dollars a year in new revenue".

That's 45 million dollars, free money, for doing exactly what they are doing today. No additional features, no additional speed. Just jack the price up on the minority of your customer base so as to not upset the larger apple cart, and basically just print yourself 45 million bux.

Hell of a business model, right?

And after charging those exhorbitant rates, they still want a seperate plan for tethering?

Honkey please...

what's greed though? are there companies out there that aren't considered "greedy"? are there companies that give away their product? Can you name one for profit company that can be considered not "greedy"? i mean saying "they're so greedy" is easy to say, but what company isn't "greedy"?

Of course they want money, of course they want more money, and of course they can get that money for pretty much nothing. it's greed to us, it's common sense for a business owner. if you owned a business and had a way to get 45 mill free money, would you say "oh but the customer will be hurt..."? doubtful (and if you would, respect to you, but that's not the way to run a successful business as cutthroat as it is).

Does Verizon "need" more money. Nah. Do they "want" it? Sure. Are they wrong for wanting it? Nope. What company wouldn't do this? I know there are Google worshippers here who think that Google is fighting for humanity and would never do such things, but Google would do it too. No company is going to turn down 45 million free dollars to do the right thing. So if that makes them greedy, so be it. It's business, not charity.

What I don't agree with is doubling or tripling the cost of a good or service overnight, without providing any additional benefit to the consumer.

If a gas station just decides to start charging $11 a gallon for regular unleaded, what happens? They get in trouble, they are on the news, etc... Saw it happen several times during Katrina and another Hurricane in the Gulf where small business owners here in Atlanta, speculated that there would be a gas shortage(which for the most part the media created by telling everyone there would be no gas so everyone ran out and filled up every vehicle and gas can they could get their hands on and CREATED the shortage)...

But many gas stations, who paid the same for the gas as they always did, decided that they wanted to make more money, so they charged double for it and got in a lot of trouble.

We apply these kinds of protections in other markets, where a governing body can step in and protect the consumer from price fixing, price gouging and things of that nature.

Maybe it is time they started looking at the wireless industry is all I am saying...

If the auto manufacturers all got together and said, next year, every car will cost triple what it costs this year even though it didn't cost us any more to make them, what do you think would happen?

It wouldn't fly there, it doesn't fly with gas, etc...

come on the katrina stuff was far different from this. i dont think thats a fair comparison.

i wouldn't consider what verizon is doing price gouging. they want people to pay for what they use. it's not something revolutionary.

 

[czerdrill]

i dont know, i hope for the sake of the people who want (not need) unlimited that its true. but i remember a couple of years back verizon voice plan switched from America's choice to Nationwide calling or some crap (pretty much the same voice plan, just a different name that cost more) and would tell you "your phone is not compatible with the old plan" and force you to switch to the new one. They could just do the same thing here.

In other words, grandfathering is not some privilege or something guaranteed. They can just say that your new device is incompatible with the new plan or something. They've done it before, so they could do it again.

I believe they only did that with the Voyager (and one or two other phone). So they didn't require everyone to switch.

that's what i mean. it'll be a per device thing. you go to upgrade your device and say "hey this is not valid anymore"...they don't need to make everyone switch. just the people who want to upgrade.

what did the voyager have that wasn't "compatible" with the old plan? nothing.

 

[jseah]

And the folks who did that Friends n Family deal and got their plans knocked down to 9.99 or 19.99...make me sick...lol

Paying $208 per month (after taxes and fees) for 5 lines with unlimited data. dancedroid

 

[SquireSCA]

The only solution right now is to evolve. You have time to get it right. Its one thing if Vzw said this plan was going to start tomorrow and everyone is forced into it. Its just like when you buy a new device or when you first bought an android device. It took you time to realize to turn every thing off when not in use and to lower display brightness to save battery. We all knew it was coming. For those living in an are where you can get high speed look and see if it would be cheaper to get it for the house, especially if you are a data intensive family. Turn wifi on when all possible. Don't leave auto sync on, it really is not that important for your phone to update every Facebook profile while its in your pocket. You don't need the weather to update every hour, before smart phones people looked outside or looked at the paper. Download songs and build up your mp3 player. There are ways you can get bye with out hogging data all the time. For those of you who are on the road a lot I will have to agree that this is going to be hard on you. Its not like you can put a wifi antenna on the hood of your semi truck.

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We are not hogging data. We are using the phone as it was designed to be used, and for the things that it was marketed to us by the carrier.

They sold us on the benefits of the smart phone. They sold us on the benefits of paying extra for the unlimited data plan. They sold us on getting the high end phone so that we could stream audio and video, browse the web, play games, etc...

All of these things are things that THEY marketed and sold to US, and we paid top dollar for them, getting the most expensive phones, paying for the most expensive data plans, locking in long term contracts, etc...

And now they are crying that some people actually stream video and audio, and browse the web and use the data the way it was sold to us?

 

[czerdrill]

The only solution right now is to evolve. You have time to get it right. Its one thing if Vzw said this plan was going to start tomorrow and everyone is forced into it. Its just like when you buy a new device or when you first bought an android device. It took you time to realize to turn every thing off when not in use and to lower display brightness to save battery. We all knew it was coming. For those living in an are where you can get high speed look and see if it would be cheaper to get it for the house, especially if you are a data intensive family. Turn wifi on when all possible. Don't leave auto sync on, it really is not that important for your phone to update every Facebook profile while its in your pocket. You don't need the weather to update every hour, before smart phones people looked outside or looked at the paper. Download songs and build up your mp3 player. There are ways you can get bye with out hogging data all the time. For those of you who are on the road a lot I will have to agree that this is going to be hard on you. Its not like you can put a wifi antenna on the hood of your semi truck.

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We are not hogging data. We are using the phone as it was designed to be used, and for the things that it was marketed to us by the carrier.

They sold us on the benefits of the smart phone. They sold us on the benefits of paying extra for the unlimited data plan. They sold us on getting the high end phone so that we could stream audio and video, browse the web, play games, etc...

All of these things are things that THEY marketed and sold to US, and we paid top dollar for them, getting the most expensive phones, paying for the most expensive data plans, locking in long term contracts, etc...

And now they are crying that some people actually stream video and audio, and browse the web and use the data the way it was sold to us?

again, people aren't using that much data. it's not happening. there is a huge group that is using less than 2GB, and then some small group using 50GB a month. those people should pay extra. i fail to see why people are upset about this. i think it's fair, not unfair. why should i, who uses no data at all, pay the same amount as someone using 20 times the amount i use?

 

[jroc]

I think it would be fairer if those that used less had a better lower price to pay. The lowest plan is 2GB for $30. Why not something like 500MB - 1GB for $15-$20.

 

[SquireSCA]

come on the katrina stuff was far different from this. i dont think thats a fair comparison.

i wouldn't consider what verizon is doing price gouging. they want people to pay for what they use. it's not something revolutionary.

If anything, the Katrina stuff had some sort of logical justification to it, sort of. LOL

The business owners felt that if there was a shortage that they would only have so much fuel to sell, so they charged whatever they thought they could get on what they had on hand to make some money and tide them over and stay afloat.

What VZW is doing is price gouging. Charging more for data than what most of our ISP's charge? In addition to the $89 a month for unlimited calls? In addition to tethering?

I mean seriously, how precious do they think that their data is?

When you just want to watch some Netflix while at the gym, and as a result your cell phone bill is higher than your home's electric bill? LOL

Seriously, this is dumb. They sold unlimited, they admit that very few people use much data today, so this is clearly just an attempt to soak some people that do.

And they are *only* doing it because a study probably told them that the people that use that much data, probably need it and so they will be more likely to pony up and pay to keep it.

It's opportunistic and I think it sucks, and I hope that it backfires on them.

 

[SquireSCA]

again, people aren't using that much data. it's not happening. there is a huge group that is using less than 2GB, and then some small group using 50GB a month. those people should pay extra. i fail to see why people are upset about this. i think it's fair, not unfair. why should i, who uses no data at all, pay the same amount as someone using 20 times the amount i use?

If most people are not using that much data, then there really isn't a cost justification for the price increase, is there?

If it will hardly effect many people, then why do it?

I think that 2GB is too low for the basic plan, because as I said, watching one full lenfth movie per week on Netflix will put you over that easily.

On today's phones, with things like Netflix and YouTube and today's web content, 2GB in a month just isn't all that much data.

 

[czerdrill]

I think it would be fairer if those that used less had a better lower price to pay. The lowest plan is 2GB for $30. Why not something like 500MB - 1GB for $15-$20.

i dont disagree with that. i was a little disappointed that there isn't a lower tier (hopefully this is not fully official). but 2GB of $30, in my case, is the same as unlimited for $30. And the people who use more, pay more. So that's how I appease myself in this situation haha

still hoping for a lower tier though if grandfathering is not an option. it most probably will be though, so even less reason to care.

 

[SquireSCA]

Hey, why not start charging fat people triple the charge at the all you can eat buffet?

I mean, most of us won't eat more than a plate or two, so if a fat guy comes in and wants to eat 5 plates, why not single him out and charge him 3 times whate everyone else pays?

According to your logic, that is fair, right?