[Updated] Verizon To Officially Reveal Tiered Data Plans July 7th; Plans Leaked Below

[Cmking76]

so lets say it took a year to compile i wonder how many new android users there are in that year plus Netflix and other apps just like yep i too believe the study
.,.just saying

 

[czerdrill]

so lets say it took a year to compile i wonder how many new android users there are in that year plus Netflix and other apps just like yep i too believe the study
.,.just saying

you didnt answer my question. do you put more weight on what one person on a forum says then what a study does? i mean if you're going to discredit studies because of the time they took to compile, you must not believe in anything! haha...that's a ridiculous assertion, that because of time to compile, that that data is going to be so skewed as to be completely inaccurate. or is that not what you're saying (crossing fingers...haha).

 

[SquireSCA]

And also bear in mind that the Nielsen study also showed that for the 95th percentile (those under 2 GB per month), their data usage from the previous year to current year has increased 109%. If you assume the same growth rate (which wouldn't necessarily be out of line), by 2012 those same 95th percentile will be using under 3 GB per month (if the growth is progressive) or under 4 GB per month (if the growth is geometric and it is doubling each year). So this would mean that one year after implementing tiered data plans, the subscribers who will be paying the same ($30 for 2 GB) is going to be paying more because they will get hit with overages.

and that's exactly why tiers are necessary. as i already agreed to, the usage is increasing exponentially and so are the amount of people who own smartphones. there is no way verizon could maintain a viable network if data consumption is increasing like that. like i said if their LTE network was giving you 3G speeds, everyone would be up in arms.

THe problem that I have with it goes back to the buffet analogy. If they say all you can eat for $30 a month, and so as time goes on you gain the capacity to eat more, and so they just start jacking up the price... I don't agree with that.

They were the ones that said all you can eat. And they have been pushing phones, showing Netflix and streaming video and touting all the cool things they want you to do with the phone. So people start doing that, and once people are using the phones as they have been sold to them, VZW wants to complain that data is being consumed and that they need to charge more for it?

I understand the need to make money, been in Corporate America a long time and am very pro-Capitalist and all that. However, I do think that there are times when these companies get greedy, they think that enough people are hooked and that they can tighten the screws and that the majority of their customers will just suck it up and pay up.

Now, the average person may not use more than 2GB. And if that is the case, if most people don't use that much, then how stressed is their network really? I mean, if using too much bandwidth is part of the justification for the massive price increase, and yet they say that most people never come close to that amount of data, then is it really justified?

Or is it simple a case of them seeing a million users who obviously do use/need that much data, and figuring, "Hey, an extra $30 a month on average, times 125,000 high bandwidth customers, is $45 million dollars a year in new revenue".

That's 45 million dollars, free money, for doing exactly what they are doing today. No additional features, no additional speed. Just jack the price up on the minority of your customer base so as to not upset the larger apple cart, and basically just print yourself 45 million bux.

Hell of a business model, right?

And after charging those exhorbitant rates, they still want a seperate plan for tethering?

Honkey please...

 

[SquireSCA]

And Netflix and Hulu and things like that are the problem here. We now have a working Netflix app for Android, and people like me have been waiting for it ever since we gave it up in our iPhones. It sucks up bandwith fast. Watching one full length movie a week, will have you at that 2GB mark in a flash.

So now you have to bump up a tier and spend more money on data, than the Netflix subscription costs in the first place...

 

[Cmking76]

<---loves the unlimited plan and yes in a market that is doubling and tripling in a year thing could be little off don't. you think just saying...


anyway back on topic Antone know how close these plan prices atr

 

[czerdrill]

And also bear in mind that the Nielsen study also showed that for the 95th percentile (those under 2 GB per month), their data usage from the previous year to current year has increased 109%. If you assume the same growth rate (which wouldn't necessarily be out of line), by 2012 those same 95th percentile will be using under 3 GB per month (if the growth is progressive) or under 4 GB per month (if the growth is geometric and it is doubling each year). So this would mean that one year after implementing tiered data plans, the subscribers who will be paying the same ($30 for 2 GB) is going to be paying more because they will get hit with overages.

and that's exactly why tiers are necessary. as i already agreed to, the usage is increasing exponentially and so are the amount of people who own smartphones. there is no way verizon could maintain a viable network if data consumption is increasing like that. like i said if their LTE network was giving you 3G speeds, everyone would be up in arms.

THe problem that I have with it goes back to the buffet analogy. If they say all you can eat for $30 a month, and so as time goes on you gain the capacity to eat more, and so they just start jacking up the price... I don't agree with that.

They were the ones that said all you can eat. And they have been pushing phones, showing Netflix and streaming video and touting all the cool things they want you to do with the phone. So people start doing that, and once people are using the phones as they have been sold to them, VZW wants to complain that data is being consumed and that they need to charge more for it?

I understand the need to make money, been in Corporate America a long time and am very pro-Capitalist and all that. However, I do think that there are times when these companies get greedy, they think that enough people are hooked and that they can tighten the screws and that the majority of their customers will just suck it up and pay up.

Now, the average person may not use more than 2GB. And if that is the case, if most people don't use that much, then how stressed is their network really? I mean, if using too much bandwidth is part of the justification for the massive price increase, and yet they say that most people never come close to that amount of data, then is it really justified?

Or is it simple a case of them seeing a million users who obviously do use/need that much data, and figuring, "Hey, an extra $30 a month on average, times 125,000 high bandwidth customers, is $45 million dollars a year in new revenue".

That's 45 million dollars, free money, for doing exactly what they are doing today. No additional features, no additional speed. Just jack the price up on the minority of your customer base so as to not upset the larger apple cart, and basically just print yourself 45 million bux.

Hell of a business model, right?

And after charging those exhorbitant rates, they still want a seperate plan for tethering?

Honkey please...

what's greed though? are there companies out there that aren't considered "greedy"? are there companies that give away their product? Can you name one for profit company that can be considered not "greedy"? i mean saying "they're so greedy" is easy to say, but what company isn't "greedy"?

Of course they want money, of course they want more money, and of course they can get that money for pretty much nothing. it's greed to us, it's common sense for a business owner. if you owned a business and had a way to get 45 mill free money, would you say "oh but the customer will be hurt..."? doubtful (and if you would, respect to you, but that's not the way to run a successful business as cutthroat as it is).

Does Verizon "need" more money. Nah. Do they "want" it? Sure. Are they wrong for wanting it? Nope. What company wouldn't do this? I know there are Google worshippers here who think that Google is fighting for humanity and would never do such things, but Google would do it too. No company is going to turn down 45 million free dollars to do the right thing. So if that makes them greedy, so be it. It's business, not charity.

 

[czerdrill]

<---loves the unlimited plan and yes in a market that is doubling and tripling in a year thing could be little off don't. you think just saying...


anyway back on topic Antone know how close these plan prices atr

so amount of customers is directly correlated to average data usage? not sure how you came to that conclusion.

if the market is tripling, that means EVERYONE individually is using more data too? hmmm...a little illogical, no?

 

[xXGH05TXx]

JULY 7th IS OFFICIAL!!!

if someone beat me to this then oh well not gonna search for it.

today i spoke to the Cell Rep at my Costco in Concord,Ca i asked him is it official about the new data plans he said YES! as of Monday morning (06/20/11) The new Tiered Plan has become official and will kick in 07/07/11.

Anyone who has the unlimited data plan WILL BE GRANDFATHERED IN!:icon_ banana:
Anyone who gets A NEW Contract or New Upgrade by 7/07/11 WILL BE GRANDFATHERED IN! dancedroid
Even if you get a new contract or upgrade on 7/06/11 with the unlimited data plan. you will be grandfathered in.

Anyone after 7/07/11 well sorry about your bad luck.

on another note. he said that their are reasons behind this new plan. he only told me the main two.

1. The main reason is due to the ROOTED users stealing with WiFi Tethering. supposedly their was an average of 10,000Gb a month being stolen with out payment.

2. the other reason is because Verizon did a study on how much ppl are actually using on the unlimited data plan and they found out that they use an average of 1-1.25GB a month. thats per user (besides ROOTED USER). so verizon decided that ppl are paying 30 a month and not even using it to the fullest and so thats how they came up with the Tiered Plan so that way you get your full moneys worth.

I know most of you are pissed about this, others dont care, and some are worried about upgrading their phone by the 7th. So all i have to say is deal with it. this is what happens when they do studies and ppl steal. its not gonna go anywhere for a while. so this is what i got so far anything else comes up i will let you know.

xXGH05TXx

 

[bplewis24]

More (of the same) info leaked...but in detail: Verizon's new data plans broken down in complete detail | Android Central

Mobile hotspot access will cost $20 a month for 2GB of data.

Other points to note (many of which are detailed in an internal e-mail we've posted after the break):

If you have Verizon's $29.99 unlimited data plan, you'll be able to keep it after July 7.
You'll also be able to keep the $29.99 unlimited plan when you upgrade to a new phone. (No word on if there's a pricing difference or when that policy could change.)
If you add a line to an existing account, you'll not be able to chose the $29.99 unlimited data plan.
If you're a new customer between now and July 7, you'll still be able to choose the $29.99 plan.
So if you're in the market for a Verizon phone and want to get in on the current unlimited plans before the major changes take effect, you've got two weeks, folks

Let's hope the bolded portion is true. It's by far the most important for all of us complaining, since we're the actual, current customers.

Now to the big dilemma: do I buy a 2nd line now for my future child who doesn't exist yet? I want to pass down the unlimited data for generations to come!

Brandon

 

[SquireSCA]

and that's exactly why tiers are necessary. as i already agreed to, the usage is increasing exponentially and so are the amount of people who own smartphones. there is no way verizon could maintain a viable network if data consumption is increasing like that. like i said if their LTE network was giving you 3G speeds, everyone would be up in arms.

THe problem that I have with it goes back to the buffet analogy. If they say all you can eat for $30 a month, and so as time goes on you gain the capacity to eat more, and so they just start jacking up the price... I don't agree with that.

They were the ones that said all you can eat. And they have been pushing phones, showing Netflix and streaming video and touting all the cool things they want you to do with the phone. So people start doing that, and once people are using the phones as they have been sold to them, VZW wants to complain that data is being consumed and that they need to charge more for it?

I understand the need to make money, been in Corporate America a long time and am very pro-Capitalist and all that. However, I do think that there are times when these companies get greedy, they think that enough people are hooked and that they can tighten the screws and that the majority of their customers will just suck it up and pay up.

Now, the average person may not use more than 2GB. And if that is the case, if most people don't use that much, then how stressed is their network really? I mean, if using too much bandwidth is part of the justification for the massive price increase, and yet they say that most people never come close to that amount of data, then is it really justified?

Or is it simple a case of them seeing a million users who obviously do use/need that much data, and figuring, "Hey, an extra $30 a month on average, times 125,000 high bandwidth customers, is $45 million dollars a year in new revenue".

That's 45 million dollars, free money, for doing exactly what they are doing today. No additional features, no additional speed. Just jack the price up on the minority of your customer base so as to not upset the larger apple cart, and basically just print yourself 45 million bux.

Hell of a business model, right?

And after charging those exhorbitant rates, they still want a seperate plan for tethering?

Honkey please...

what's greed though? are there companies out there that aren't considered "greedy"? are there companies that give away their product? Can you name one for profit company that can be considered not "greedy"? i mean saying "they're so greedy" is easy to say, but what company isn't "greedy"?

Of course they want money, of course they want more money, and of course they can get that money for pretty much nothing. it's greed to us, it's common sense for a business owner. if you owned a business and had a way to get 45 mill free money, would you say "oh but the customer will be hurt..."? doubtful (and if you would, respect to you, but that's not the way to run a successful business as cutthroat as it is).

Does Verizon "need" more money. Nah. Do they "want" it? Sure. Are they wrong for wanting it? Nope. What company wouldn't do this? I know there are Google worshippers here who think that Google is fighting for humanity and would never do such things, but Google would do it too. No company is going to turn down 45 million free dollars to do the right thing. So if that makes them greedy, so be it. It's business, not charity.

What I don't agree with is doubling or tripling the cost of a good or service overnight, without providing any additional benefit to the consumer.

If a gas station just decides to start charging $11 a gallon for regular unleaded, what happens? They get in trouble, they are on the news, etc... Saw it happen several times during Katrina and another Hurricane in the Gulf where small business owners here in Atlanta, speculated that there would be a gas shortage(which for the most part the media created by telling everyone there would be no gas so everyone ran out and filled up every vehicle and gas can they could get their hands on and CREATED the shortage)...

But many gas stations, who paid the same for the gas as they always did, decided that they wanted to make more money, so they charged double for it and got in a lot of trouble.

We apply these kinds of protections in other markets, where a governing body can step in and protect the consumer from price fixing, price gouging and things of that nature.

Maybe it is time they started looking at the wireless industry is all I am saying...

If the auto manufacturers all got together and said, next year, every car will cost triple what it costs this year even though it didn't cost us any more to make them, what do you think would happen?

It wouldn't fly there, it doesn't fly with gas, etc...

 

[czerdrill]

i dont know, i hope for the sake of the people who want (not need) unlimited that its true. but i remember a couple of years back verizon voice plan switched from America's choice to Nationwide calling or some crap (pretty much the same voice plan, just a different name that cost more) and would tell you "your phone is not compatible with the old plan" and force you to switch to the new one. They could just do the same thing here.

In other words, grandfathering is not some privilege or something guaranteed. They can just say that your new device is incompatible with the new plan or something. They've done it before, so they could do it again.

 

[hookbill]

if someone beat me to this then oh well not gonna search for it.

today i spoke to the Cell Rep at my Costco in Concord,Ca i asked him is it official about the new data plans he said YES! as of Monday morning (06/20/11) The new Tiered Plan has become official and will kick in 07/07/11.

Anyone who has the unlimited data plan WILL BE GRANDFATHERED IN!:icon_ banana:
Anyone who gets A NEW Contract or New Upgrade by 7/07/11 WILL BE GRANDFATHERED IN! dancedroid
Even if you get a new contract or upgrade on 7/06/11 with the unlimited data plan. you will be grandfathered in.

Anyone after 7/07/11 well sorry about your bad luck.

on another note. he said that their are reasons behind this new plan. he only told me the main two.

1. The main reason is due to the ROOTED users stealing with WiFi Tethering. supposedly their was an average of 10,000Gb a month being stolen with out payment.

2. the other reason is because Verizon did a study on how much ppl are actually using on the unlimited data plan and they found out that they use an average of 1-1.25GB a month. thats per user (besides ROOTED USER). so verizon decided that ppl are paying 30 a month and not even using it to the fullest and so thats how they came up with the Tiered Plan so that way you get your full moneys worth.

I know most of you are pissed about this, others dont care, and some are worried about upgrading their phone by the 7th. So all i have to say is deal with it. this is what happens when they do studies and ppl steal. its not gonna go anywhere for a while. so this is what i got so far anything else comes up i will let you know.

xXGH05TXx

I merged this as I didn't want another thread going on about this subject. I felt however the member had some relevant points and even though they have already been discussed it was worth merging.

 

[Cmking76]

Mickey D's isnt greedy they got the dollar menu hey verizon can we get a dollar menu over here please

 

[jroc]

More (of the same) info leaked...but in detail: Verizon's new data plans broken down in complete detail | Android Central

Mobile hotspot access will cost $20 a month for 2GB of data.

Other points to note (many of which are detailed in an internal e-mail we've posted after the break):

If you have Verizon's $29.99 unlimited data plan, you'll be able to keep it after July 7.
You'll also be able to keep the $29.99 unlimited plan when you upgrade to a new phone. (No word on if there's a pricing difference or when that policy could change.)
If you add a line to an existing account, you'll not be able to chose the $29.99 unlimited data plan.
If you're a new customer between now and July 7, you'll still be able to choose the $29.99 plan.
So if you're in the market for a Verizon phone and want to get in on the current unlimited plans before the major changes take effect, you've got two weeks, folks

Let's hope the bolded portion is true. It's by far the most important for all of us complaining, since we're the actual, current customers.

Now to the big dilemma: do I buy a 2nd line now for my future child who doesn't exist yet? I want to pass down the unlimited data for generations to come!

Brandon

lol...

My dilemma is I wanted to switch to a family plan to have access to more than 1 phone. Do I do it now? Is there any more info on the Family plans yet?

 

[SquireSCA]

I think that this crap is gonna be a boost to companies like Boost Mobile, MetoPCS and others. There is going to be a great demand for affordable phone and data plans in the near future.

As technology improves and matures and you have more and more customers, the cost per unit for things typically goes down. Hence making a custom car in a small shop costs more to build than mass producing a Ford or Toyota, even though the larger company has more overhead.

But for some reason, the wireless companies appear to be going in the opposite direction. As they get more and more customers, and technology matures and all that, they keep jacking the prices up.