[Updated] Verizon To Officially Reveal Tiered Data Plans July 7th; Plans Leaked Below

[czerdrill]

it is easy to not understand, when as you pointed out, it doesn't effect you.

Let's say that VZW does away with tiers and goes to a simple consumption fee. Using your logic, that is COMPLETELY fair, as everyone will simply pay for what they use.

And let's say they charge per MB, and as a result, even your modest usage gets you an average of a $200 phone bill each month for one phone on one line.

Will you be fine with that?

This is assuming that I'm made aware of the charges before signing up, right? If I calculate that with my current usage I'll be paying $200 a month, why would I sign up? I wouldn't. And I definitely wouldn't, complain every month, and continue paying.

Again, I'm just trying to understand the logic. If you truly feel something is unfair why do you keep supporting the company? Like I said, I think people just want a reason to complain.

And of course, if Verizon moved to pay per meg, obviously it would be priced so that it's affordable. Your hypothetical is not logical.

Why do people like me "support" the company? Because they lock you in with a contract, so that when they don't deliver, or they do things that would cause you to leave, you have a "barrier to exit"...

If cell phone contrats were made illegal, you would see a vastly different landscape in this market, as companies would have to actually listen to customers, deliver good service, etc...

Now, once they get you signed up, they can pretty much do whatever they want, provide crappy service and all that, because you have to pay THEM to leave when THEY provided the poor service.

But as we have discussed before, if they tried to change my plan, I would simply toss the phone in the trash, go to Sprint and call it a day.

i would still eat the ETF if i was truly unhappy, that's a one time payment. Rather then paying $200/month for 24 months because I don't want to pay an ETF. Again, counter-productive and things that you know before signing the contract.

It simply is not sensible to do what some people do. Complain non-stop, pay $200/month on their bill for 2 years, then be the first in line to get a new phone to do it all over again for another 2 years. But the $325 ETF is an "OMG I WOULD NEVERRRR PAY THAT!!!" phenomenon.

 

[SquireSCA]

10TB of stolen data, even though those users purchased it. Seems like Verizon is complaining that people are smart enough to not pay twice for something. I will continue to pay once, and do what I want with the unlimited data that I paid for.

Well, I think that is just fluff to justify price increases in a down economy.

To be honest, 10TB to a company and network the size of VZW is nothing.

That's like going to the ocean and complaining that 5 gallons of water is missing. LOL

 

[Mwsr]

I have 4 line family plan only 1 phone is data. Can i just keep this plan forever and stay grandfathered in?

midweststreetryders.com

 

[czerdrill]

10TB of stolen data, even though those users purchased it. Seems like Verizon is complaining that people are smart enough to not pay twice for something. I will continue to pay once, and do what I want with the unlimited data that I paid for.

Well, I think that is just fluff to justify price increases in a down economy.

To be honest, 10TB to a company and network the size of VZW is nothing.

That's like going to the ocean and complaining that 5 gallons of water is missing. LOL

That's also like saying you can walk into Walmart and steal a t-shirt and they have no right to stop you because they're the number one company in the United States...

 

[Shane RC51]

I have a Thunderbolt with unlimited data. My wife has an OG Droid with unlimited 3G data. Do I have this right? After July's tiered roll out, if she upgrades to a 4G plan, it's different than her unlimited 3G plan. Will she be forced to go with a tiered 4G setup? Unlimited 3G won't automatically roll into unlimited 4G with a new 4G phone, right?

Sent from my ADR6400L

 

[NeoandGeo]

10TB of stolen data, even though those users purchased it. Seems like Verizon is complaining that people are smart enough to not pay twice for something. I will continue to pay once, and do what I want with the unlimited data that I paid for.

Well, I think that is just fluff to justify price increases in a down economy.

To be honest, 10TB to a company and network the size of VZW is nothing.

That's like going to the ocean and complaining that 5 gallons of water is missing. LOL

That's also like saying you can walk into Walmart and steal a t-shirt and they have no right to stop you because they're the number one company in the United States...

I don't even know how to respond to an analogy that stupid. :icon_eek:

 

[czerdrill]

I have a Thunderbolt with unlimited data. My wife has an OG Droid with unlimited 3G data. Do I have this right? After July's tiered roll out, if she upgrades to a 4G plan, it's different than her unlimited 3G plan. Will she be forced to go with a tiered 4G setup? Unlimited 3G won't automatically roll into unlimited 4G with a new 4G phone, right?

Sent from my ADR6400L

No one knows yet. Nothing official has been announced from Verizon. This thread is rampant speculation haha

 

[SquireSCA]

This is assuming that I'm made aware of the charges before signing up, right? If I calculate that with my current usage I'll be paying $200 a month, why would I sign up? I wouldn't. And I definitely wouldn't, complain every month, and continue paying.

Again, I'm just trying to understand the logic. If you truly feel something is unfair why do you keep supporting the company? Like I said, I think people just want a reason to complain.

And of course, if Verizon moved to pay per meg, obviously it would be priced so that it's affordable. Your hypothetical is not logical.

Why do people like me "support" the company? Because they lock you in with a contract, so that when they don't deliver, or they do things that would cause you to leave, you have a "barrier to exit"...

If cell phone contrats were made illegal, you would see a vastly different landscape in this market, as companies would have to actually listen to customers, deliver good service, etc...

Now, once they get you signed up, they can pretty much do whatever they want, provide crappy service and all that, because you have to pay THEM to leave when THEY provided the poor service.

But as we have discussed before, if they tried to change my plan, I would simply toss the phone in the trash, go to Sprint and call it a day.

i would still eat the ETF if i was truly unhappy, that's a one time payment. Rather then paying $200/month for 24 months because I don't want to pay an ETF. Again, counter-productive and things that you know before signing the contract.

It simply is not sensible to do what some people do. Complain non-stop, pay $200/month on their bill for 2 years, then be the first in line to get a new phone to do it all over again for another 2 years. But the $325 ETF is an "OMG I WOULD NEVERRRR PAY THAT!!!" phenomenon.

I think that it comes down to feeling morally justified. For me, I don't plan to sign any more contracts. I will pay more for the phone that I want but be free to leave whenever I want, sell the phone on eBay and recover most of my loss, etc...

I think that we are all idiots for signing contracts that are clearly not in our best interests. I wouldn't sign a contract with Ford that said if the car is a lemon and doesn't work as promised, that if I decide to sell it and go get a Honda that I have to pay them $1000... So why do I sign one for a phone that does just that?

Because I am an idiot and want to save a few bucks on the up front cost of the phone.

But no more.

 

[czerdrill]

Well, I think that is just fluff to justify price increases in a down economy.

To be honest, 10TB to a company and network the size of VZW is nothing.

That's like going to the ocean and complaining that 5 gallons of water is missing. LOL

That's also like saying you can walk into Walmart and steal a t-shirt and they have no right to stop you because they're the number one company in the United States...

I don't even know how to respond to an analogy that stupid. :icon_eek:

I understand your confusion. You're the guy who thinks they should charge $5/GB. Analogies may not be your thing.

 

[pc747]

Yes the economy is down, but during that time smart phone usage went up. If I was a carrier I would cash in now as well because if this is where we at with a down economy then what can we expect when the economy recovers...more smart phone users consuming more data making us more money to improve the towers, pay our employees, make stockholders happy, and get executives bonuses.

sent from droidforums app

 

[SquireSCA]

10TB of stolen data, even though those users purchased it. Seems like Verizon is complaining that people are smart enough to not pay twice for something. I will continue to pay once, and do what I want with the unlimited data that I paid for.

Well, I think that is just fluff to justify price increases in a down economy.

To be honest, 10TB to a company and network the size of VZW is nothing.

That's like going to the ocean and complaining that 5 gallons of water is missing. LOL

That's also like saying you can walk into Walmart and steal a t-shirt and they have no right to stop you because they're the number one company in the United States...

Except that it is only stealing as THEY define it.

People pay for data. They pay for it on their phone. If they pass that data from the phone to another device, VZW simply wants to charge you twice for that same data packet.

So by their definition it is stealing, but without getting into that whole argument again, we both know that there are two sides to that.

 

[czerdrill]

Why do people like me "support" the company? Because they lock you in with a contract, so that when they don't deliver, or they do things that would cause you to leave, you have a "barrier to exit"...

If cell phone contrats were made illegal, you would see a vastly different landscape in this market, as companies would have to actually listen to customers, deliver good service, etc...

Now, once they get you signed up, they can pretty much do whatever they want, provide crappy service and all that, because you have to pay THEM to leave when THEY provided the poor service.

But as we have discussed before, if they tried to change my plan, I would simply toss the phone in the trash, go to Sprint and call it a day.

i would still eat the ETF if i was truly unhappy, that's a one time payment. Rather then paying $200/month for 24 months because I don't want to pay an ETF. Again, counter-productive and things that you know before signing the contract.

It simply is not sensible to do what some people do. Complain non-stop, pay $200/month on their bill for 2 years, then be the first in line to get a new phone to do it all over again for another 2 years. But the $325 ETF is an "OMG I WOULD NEVERRRR PAY THAT!!!" phenomenon.

I think that it comes down to feeling morally justified. For me, I don't plan to sign any more contracts. I will pay more for the phone that I want but be free to leave whenever I want, sell the phone on eBay and recover most of my loss, etc...

I think that we are all idiots for signing contracts that are clearly not in our best interests. I wouldn't sign a contract with Ford that said if the car is a lemon and doesn't work as promised, that if I decide to sell it and go get a Honda that I have to pay them $1000... So why do I sign one for a phone that does just that?

Because I am an idiot and want to save a few bucks on the up front cost of the phone.

But no more.

That might be true, that we're all idiots for even agreeing to them in the first place. But I know one thing, if I truly felt like I was being ripped off, I would not be paying them over and over and over again every month when all I have to do is pay $325 and be done with them for good.

We're all idiots, some of us are more idiotic then others when they complain and keep paying though.

 

[NeoandGeo]

That's also like saying you can walk into Walmart and steal a t-shirt and they have no right to stop you because they're the number one company in the United States...

I don't even know how to respond to an analogy that stupid. :icon_eek:

I understand your confusion. You're the guy who thinks they should charge $5/GB. Analogies may not be your thing.

Yes I am. And flat out ignorant analogies are not my thing. At least try and keep on topic and not yell out the most off the wall comment because you think its funny.

 

[czerdrill]

Well, I think that is just fluff to justify price increases in a down economy.

To be honest, 10TB to a company and network the size of VZW is nothing.

That's like going to the ocean and complaining that 5 gallons of water is missing. LOL

That's also like saying you can walk into Walmart and steal a t-shirt and they have no right to stop you because they're the number one company in the United States...

Except that it is only stealing as THEY define it.

People pay for data. They pay for it on their phone. If they pass that data from the phone to another device, VZW simply wants to charge you twice for that same data packet.

So by their definition it is stealing, but without getting into that whole argument again, we both know that there are two sides to that.

Yeah my analogy assumes that tethering is stealing of course.

 

[czerdrill]

I don't even know how to respond to an analogy that stupid. :icon_eek:

I understand your confusion. You're the guy who thinks they should charge $5/GB. Analogies may not be your thing.

Yes I am. And flat out ignorant analogies are not my thing. At least try and keep on topic and not yell out the most off the wall comment because you think its funny.

Sir, you clearly did not understand the analogy and labeled it stupid. I called you out for that. No need to be upset because you couldn't understand the point being made...