My problem is that it is literally my only internet connection. I live and work on board the Usns Kanawha, and when we pull in to the navy base in norfolk, I have no other means of getting online. I am not going to be paying extra when my cell phone already has an unlimited connection. You hear that Verizon? I have no other wifi source when I'm in my room on the ship.
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So because it is your only internet connection that gives you the right to not pay for tethering?
Let's see I pay an extra $40/month for my home DSL. I pay an extran $20/month for my VZW Mobile Hotspot. So I pay $60/month to use the internet on my computers and you don't pay anything?
And this coming from someone who is supposed to be protecting our constitution which supports capitalism, yet doesn't agree with it. Interesting.
There is a difference between tethering every now and then, and racking up outrageous amounts of data through tethering.
No there isn't... If you tether, you are in violation of TOS.
Since analogies get thrown out so regularly.....
Tethering a lot = use stolen car as everyday driver
tethering a little = use stolen car to pick up McDonalds food
Whether you use it a lot or a little, its still STEALING.
Everyone who tries to defend tethering by saying things like "I pay for the data" need to check their MORAL COMPASS. Seriously.
Unless it's a dispute over the actual signing of a contract or acceptance of a contract you can't take Verizon to court. It is actually in the contract that you have to go through arbitration first. Have fun with that one if anyone ever did decide to try and take vzw to court.
Well yeah by "court" I meant go the legal judicial route. It's irrelevant though, because no one is going to take that route. It's just a bunch of talk.
You right and that is because if we had the money to take vzw to court to get them to drop their plan at least 10 bucks then why would it matter. The people complaining are those working 9-5, 5-9 tryna make a living. They are making a killing in the wireless industry and its one of the only business to show a profit during the recession. Wireless have basically replaced the home telephone in majority of the nation. In 5 years wireless have surpassed landlines as the primary phone. Besides its hard to sue vzw unless they actually send you an outrageous bill for unauthorized tethering. Vzw right now is just taking away the means and making it harder. But they are not solving the problem. And if they continue on this road they are giving more power to the devs who make those apps and work arounds.
Well yeah by "court" I meant go the legal judicial route. It's irrelevant though, because no one is going to take that route. It's just a bunch of talk.
You right and that is because if we had the money to take vzw to court to get them to drop their plan at least 10 bucks then why would it matter. The people complaining are those working 9-5, 5-9 tryna make a living. They are making a killing in the wireless industry and its one of the only business to show a profit during the recession. Wireless have basically replaced the home telephone in majority of the nation. In 5 years wireless have surpassed landlines as the primary phone. Besides its hard to sue vzw unless they actually send you an outrageous bill for unauthorized tethering. Vzw right now is just taking away the means and making it harder. But they are not solving the problem. And if they continue on this road they are giving more power to the devs who make those apps and work arounds.
Ok, well then the option is to leave. You don't need extra money for that. Maybe an ETF, but if people really believe they're being screwed royally, the ETF is something they can eat if it means saving tons of money in the long run. Like I said, i think it's all talk and a way for people to convince themselves that they're being screwed by some dishonestly or illegal-ness by VZW.
No matter how I look at it, I can't find a justification for tethering. It doesn't exist. Doesnt matter if its 40GB or 1KB. They have a right to take away the means because you're using their network in a way that they dont allow. There is no argument that makes it ok.
I just get tired of all these threads popping up with all the buffet analogies and people refusing to see the real picture.
You could take verizon to court. And I don't think it would matter much if you signed the contract or not, because you probably won't win if you take them to court over 20 dollars.
You could take verizon to court based on their supposedly unreasonable pricing on tethering plans. Class action lawsuit. I don't know if you would win.
I doubt anyone here has the financial resources though. I worked in a law firm for 1 year, don't consider me an expert by any means though.
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You right and that is because if we had the money to take vzw to court to get them to drop their plan at least 10 bucks then why would it matter. The people complaining are those working 9-5, 5-9 tryna make a living. They are making a killing in the wireless industry and its one of the only business to show a profit during the recession. Wireless have basically replaced the home telephone in majority of the nation. In 5 years wireless have surpassed landlines as the primary phone. Besides its hard to sue vzw unless they actually send you an outrageous bill for unauthorized tethering. Vzw right now is just taking away the means and making it harder. But they are not solving the problem. And if they continue on this road they are giving more power to the devs who make those apps and work arounds.
Ok, well then the option is to leave. You don't need extra money for that. Maybe an ETF, but if people really believe they're being screwed royally, the ETF is something they can eat if it means saving tons of money in the long run. Like I said, i think it's all talk and a way for people to convince themselves that they're being screwed by some dishonestly or illegal-ness by VZW.
No matter how I look at it, I can't find a justification for tethering. It doesn't exist. Doesnt matter if its 40GB or 1KB. They have a right to take away the means because you're using their network in a way that they dont allow. There is no argument that makes it ok.
I just get tired of all these threads popping up with all the buffet analogies and people refusing to see the real picture.
You can leave or you can point out to the company the problem. If Iam a big fan of nissan cars and I notice that something in the design is causing a problem I could leave or I can point out the issue. Point is this as long as vzw continue to do what they are doing many will turn a blind eye to people using unauthorized tethering apps. Its hard for me to go to users and say stop stealing from vzw but allow vzw to continue taking from the customer. Just because vzw ceos wear a suit and tie does not make it right that they charge some one for nothing. But we can go back and forth all day but nothing I say or you say will change anything tomorrow.
You could take verizon to court. And I don't think it would matter much if you signed the contract or not, because you probably won't win if you take them to court over 20 dollars.
You could take verizon to court based on their supposedly unreasonable pricing on tethering plans. Class action lawsuit. I don't know if you would win.
I doubt anyone here has the financial resources though. I worked in a law firm for 1 year, don't consider me an expert by any means though.
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The case would never make it past filing. No chance anyone here who decides to take it to court, would ever set foot in a court room. It's open and shut, and Verizon is correct.
The only thing people can do, and will do, is tether without a plan and whine about it when Verizon shuts it down.
You could take verizon to court. And I don't think it would matter much if you signed the contract or not, because you probably won't win if you take them to court over 20 dollars.
You could take verizon to court based on their supposedly unreasonable pricing on tethering plans. Class action lawsuit. I don't know if you would win.
I doubt anyone here has the financial resources though. I worked in a law firm for 1 year, don't consider me an expert by any means though.
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The case would never make it past filing. No chance anyone here who decides to take it to court, would ever set foot in a court room. It's open and shut, and Verizon is correct.
The only thing people can do, and will do, is tether without a plan and whine about it when Verizon shuts it down.
And I figure that vzw will have about as much success in shutting it down as p2p sharing. It seems that everyone seems to think that a big corporation trying to shut something down is new.
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The case would never make it past filing. No chance anyone here who decides to take it to court, would ever set foot in a court room. It's open and shut, and Verizon is correct.
The only thing people can do, and will do, is tether without a plan and whine about it when Verizon shuts it down.
And I figure that vzw will have about as much success in shutting it down as p2p sharing. It seems that everyone seems to think that a big corporation trying to shut something down is new.
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They don't need to shut it down. They can charge you for it when you do it though, and they'll have no problem convincing any court that what they did was right.
