VZW disabling tethering apps from market

[cynnar]

Ok now you can't tell me you didn't know DRM was the way to track mp3 files and keep them on one device.
They didn't get rid of Napster. Getting mp3s are as common as it has ever been.

LOL, where did I say that? I said DRM was really irrelevant to the lawsuits. The people illegally downloaded music and DRM had nothing to do with them being slapped with heavy judgements.

And, yes, they did bring an end to Napster in its original form. You can still get MP3's illegally, but it's not nearly as widespread. And, yes, the RIAA still does occasionally go after these P2P services, one for the Droid recently.

Bottom line is they can tell you are tethering from the packet info. Whether or not you can spoof doesn't really matter, people who don't spoof can still get nailed. And, yes, from my perspective that is the end of the discussion.

And I ask again why for you think they can detect tether?
Did you develop any of the tether apps? Do you know what they can and cannot do?

I sad cloak not spoof.

I keep showing you reasons for me to come to my conclusion. I do Google to see if it is possible.

Yet the only thing you can offer me to your conclusion is common sense. Show me one shred of proof that vzw is and able to detect tether and I will then tell everyone I was wrong. But I bet I get the same run around.

Basically someone told you they did and that is what you believe. (Be true or not) you can't back it up.

By the way if you believe what people tell you then you will be shocked to know that I work for vzw. Bet you didn't know that.


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[azaraith]

Now we are getting somewhere. If vzw has a foolproof way to tell that you tether, and can whenever they wanted to, hit someone with thousands of dollars don't you think this would be a more effective way to put a stop to it?

Not the best approach to customer relations. RIAA and VZW are significantly different in terms of the direct relationship with customers and also competition (RIAA doesn't have to worry about customers going to another "carrier", it's an industry association rather than a single business).

AT&T sent out letters, so obviously they can and do have a way to identify tetherers. AT&T also threatened to hit them with charges or terminate the contract. I'm not sure why you're so hung-up on VZW not being able to tell this - every device has a unique MAC address so it should be pretty easy to tell when you tether. How else do you think they monitor actual tether data usage officially through their plan?

MAC addresses can be spoofed. A bit more involved than anyone would probably want to be just to tether, but you could set your laptop's MAC address to that of your phone (I'm not sure how that would affect your connection though, as I haven't actually attempted this exact scenario. w/ PCs, Comp A gets traffic intended for Comp B if Comp A spoofs Comp B's MAC address). That said, they probably would notice that you're tethering if you're using more data in a month than would seem likely on a phone. I doubt anyone's gonna be using 2-3Gb/mo just browsing mobile websites and dl'ing apps...

 

[npro1464]

Will I be able to still use the Wireless Tether app that I already have on my phone?

 

[yummyDroid]

Not agreeing with either side in this debate (i'm sure as hell not tethering, it's not my wireless account to mess with) but just saying:

Back in the day, I had a RAZR v3m, on which it was possible to share internet with Bluetooth Dial up networking without any sort of data plan at all. At that point, verizon could definitely tell (not just based on insane usage) and they slapped those who did with ridiculous charges. At the same time, it was possible to switch the phone settings to get free WAP (essentially a really crappy version of mobile internet on the phone, for those of you who don't know), verizon could not track it, and nobody ever got charged for it.

This leads me to believe that if Verizon were able to track unauthorized tethering, they would absolutely charge ridiculous fees for it. After all, if you tether, you are absolutely 100% breaking their TOS which basically allows them to do anything they want to you in court (and thus effectively on your bill, since they know they'll win in court).

I think it would be interesting to find out, for those people that pay verizon for tethering, but use alternate apps to actually do it, whether or not their tethered devices actually appear on their bill as separate data consumption. I think this would be a pretty conclusive test in the affirmative (i.e. if they do show up as separate, then verizon can definitely tell if you're tethering, even with non-official apps).

 

[Anathema]

They can remove it all they want, another one will come out - just not on the market.

 

[Beardface]

Not agreeing with either side in this debate (i'm sure as hell not tethering, it's not my wireless account to mess with) but just saying:

Back in the day, I had a RAZR v3m, on which it was possible to share internet with Bluetooth Dial up networking without any sort of data plan at all. At that point, verizon could definitely tell (not just based on insane usage) and they slapped those who did with ridiculous charges. At the same time, it was possible to switch the phone settings to get free WAP (essentially a really crappy version of mobile internet on the phone, for those of you who don't know), verizon could not track it, and nobody ever got charged for it.

This leads me to believe that if Verizon were able to track unauthorized tethering, they would absolutely charge ridiculous fees for it. After all, if you tether, you are absolutely 100% breaking their TOS which basically allows them to do anything they want to you in court (and thus effectively on your bill, since they know they'll win in court).

I think it would be interesting to find out, for those people that pay verizon for tethering, but use alternate apps to actually do it, whether or not their tethered devices actually appear on their bill as separate data consumption. I think this would be a pretty conclusive test in the affirmative (i.e. if they do show up as separate, then verizon can definitely tell if you're tethering, even with non-official apps).

Believe me, Verizon is able to track who is and who isn't tethering. All the cell carriers can track, and many are. You just don't know it, yet, because the carriers are looking for ways to effectively crack down on it before they do anything.

Bickering about this will solve nothing. You signed your contracts, you know what the terms of it are. There isn't anything you can do. You are legally obligated to follow them. And since nobody on here has even bothered to post, here are relevant terms of the Verizon Unlimited Data plan that everyone on here has signed. This is taken from a 2007 article, so everyone on here is following these guidelines:

Unlimited Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]wireless[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]productivity[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). The Unlimited Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uploading, downloading or streaming of audio or video programming or games; (ii) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]data[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] feeds, automated machine–to–machine connections or peer–to–peer (P2P) file sharing; or (iii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. This means, by way of example only, that checking email, surfing the [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]Internet[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR], downloading legally acquired songs, and/or visiting corporate intranets is permitted, but downloading movies using P2P file sharing services and/or redirecting television signals for viewing on laptops is prohibited. A person engaged in prohibited uses, continuously for one hour, could typically use 100 to 200 MBs, or, if engaged in prohibited uses for 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, could use more than 5 GBs in a month.
For individual use only and not for resale. We reserve the right to protect our [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]network[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. We reserve the right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, and to deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is using an Unlimited Data Plan or Feature in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels. Anyone using more than 5 GB per line in a given month is presumed to be using the service in a manner prohibited above, and we reserve the right to immediately terminate the service of any such person without notice. We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term.
​

So... Two things to learn from that.

1, our Unlimited Data plans aren't as unlimited as everyone claims. There is a 5GB cap, and if you go over that, you run the risk of termination.

2, tethering is not permitted. It is actually pretty blatant with this. You cannot use the phone as a server device, and if you are tethering, that's exactly what you are doing.

Now, Verizon does allow for the Mobile Hot Spot which allows for you to tether, but that is a paid service. If you are tethering and you are not paying, you have blatantly violated the terms of service and risk a heavy fine or termination of your contract. There is no 'gray area' in this. It is explicitly spelled out in your contract.

 

[yummyDroid]

Not agreeing with either side in this debate (i'm sure as hell not tethering, it's not my wireless account to mess with) but just saying:

Back in the day, I had a RAZR v3m, on which it was possible to share internet with Bluetooth Dial up networking without any sort of data plan at all. At that point, verizon could definitely tell (not just based on insane usage) and they slapped those who did with ridiculous charges. At the same time, it was possible to switch the phone settings to get free WAP (essentially a really crappy version of mobile internet on the phone, for those of you who don't know), verizon could not track it, and nobody ever got charged for it.

This leads me to believe that if Verizon were able to track unauthorized tethering, they would absolutely charge ridiculous fees for it. After all, if you tether, you are absolutely 100% breaking their TOS which basically allows them to do anything they want to you in court (and thus effectively on your bill, since they know they'll win in court).

I think it would be interesting to find out, for those people that pay verizon for tethering, but use alternate apps to actually do it, whether or not their tethered devices actually appear on their bill as separate data consumption. I think this would be a pretty conclusive test in the affirmative (i.e. if they do show up as separate, then verizon can definitely tell if you're tethering, even with non-official apps).

Believe me, Verizon is able to track who is and who isn't tethering. All the cell carriers can track, and many are. You just don't know it, yet, because the carriers are looking for ways to effectively crack down on it before they do anything.

Bickering about this will solve nothing. You signed your contracts, you know what the terms of it are. There isn't anything you can do. You are legally obligated to follow them. And since nobody on here has even bothered to post, here are relevant terms of the Verizon Unlimited Data plan that everyone on here has signed. This is taken from a 2007 article, so everyone on here is following these guidelines:

Unlimited Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]wireless[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]productivity[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). The Unlimited Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uploading, downloading or streaming of audio or video programming or games; (ii) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]data[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] feeds, automated machine–to–machine connections or peer–to–peer (P2P) file sharing; or (iii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. This means, by way of example only, that checking email, surfing the [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]Internet[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR], downloading legally acquired songs, and/or visiting corporate intranets is permitted, but downloading movies using P2P file sharing services and/or redirecting television signals for viewing on laptops is prohibited. A person engaged in prohibited uses, continuously for one hour, could typically use 100 to 200 MBs, or, if engaged in prohibited uses for 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, could use more than 5 GBs in a month.
For individual use only and not for resale. We reserve the right to protect our [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]network[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. We reserve the right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, and to deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is using an Unlimited Data Plan or Feature in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels. Anyone using more than 5 GB per line in a given month is presumed to be using the service in a manner prohibited above, and we reserve the right to immediately terminate the service of any such person without notice. We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term.
​

So... Two things to learn from that.

1, our Unlimited Data plans aren't as unlimited as everyone claims. There is a 5GB cap, and if you go over that, you run the risk of termination.

2, tethering is not permitted. It is actually pretty blatant with this. You cannot use the phone as a server device, and if you are tethering, that's exactly what you are doing.

Now, Verizon does allow for the Mobile Hot Spot which allows for you to tether, but that is a paid service. If you are tethering and you are not paying, you have blatantly violated the terms of service and risk a heavy fine or termination of your contract. There is no 'gray area' in this. It is explicitly spelled out in your contract.

I agree with you completely regarding the TOS, tethering is absolutely not permitted.

However, I'm not willing to accept the fact that they can "just tell" without any evidence (which nobody has produced yet, it just looks like anybody that has been caught tethering has been caught for excessive useage). Rather than argue about it though, there's a pretty easy way to test:

Someone who pays for tethering but uses other software to actually do it (i've seen at least one person that does this in this thread) looks at their bill and tells us whether or not multiple device usage appears on their bill, as it does for the official app. There are two outcomes for this:

1) Multiple devices show up on the bill: at this point, it becomes absolutely clear that verizon can tell that you're tethering even when you're using non-approved apps.

2) Multiple devices do not appear on the bill: Here, some assumptions come into play. The fact that verizon needs their own app to track usage means that there is code in that app that records and reports that separate usage. They most likely would not bother doing this if they were able to track it otherwise. Thus, if #2 is the outcome, it is unlikely that they can determine anything besides the increase in data usage.

Another thing that I forgot to mention is that, if i'm not wrong, a lot of these apps act as routers. If i'm not mistaken, external entities cannot legally determine what devices exist internally if multiple devices are accessing the internet through a single router.

 

[cynnar]

Not agreeing with either side in this debate (i'm sure as hell not tethering, it's not my wireless account to mess with) but just saying:

Back in the day, I had a RAZR v3m, on which it was possible to share internet with Bluetooth Dial up networking without any sort of data plan at all. At that point, verizon could definitely tell (not just based on insane usage) and they slapped those who did with ridiculous charges. At the same time, it was possible to switch the phone settings to get free WAP (essentially a really crappy version of mobile internet on the phone, for those of you who don't know), verizon could not track it, and nobody ever got charged for it.

This leads me to believe that if Verizon were able to track unauthorized tethering, they would absolutely charge ridiculous fees for it. After all, if you tether, you are absolutely 100% breaking their TOS which basically allows them to do anything they want to you in court (and thus effectively on your bill, since they know they'll win in court).

I think it would be interesting to find out, for those people that pay verizon for tethering, but use alternate apps to actually do it, whether or not their tethered devices actually appear on their bill as separate data consumption. I think this would be a pretty conclusive test in the affirmative (i.e. if they do show up as separate, then verizon can definitely tell if you're tethering, even with non-official apps).

Believe me, Verizon is able to track who is and who isn't tethering. All the cell carriers can track, and many are. You just don't know it, yet, because the carriers are looking for ways to effectively crack down on it before they do anything.

Again I ask where is your proof?
Whether it be about vzw unable to handle the bandwidth load, or money (what I believe) why just look the other way? Do you think your good guys vzw are just going to overlook what they call stealing?

Interesting? Wonder why wal-mart doesn't follow that policy?

If vzw can do something about it the would.

Bickering about this will solve nothing. You signed your contracts, you know what the terms of it are. There isn't anything you can do. You are legally obligated to follow them. And since nobody on here has even bothered to post, here are relevant terms of the Verizon Unlimited Data plan that everyone on here has signed. This is taken from a 2007 article, so everyone on here is following these guidelines:

Expressing one's thoughts is just that. I am sure everyone who post knows they are not going to change the outcome.

Unlimited Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]wireless[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]productivity[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). The Unlimited Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uploading, downloading or streaming of audio or video programming or games; (ii) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]data[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] feeds, automated machine–to–machine connections or peer–to–peer (P2P) file sharing; or (iii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. This means, by way of example only, that checking email, surfing the [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]Internet[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR], downloading legally acquired songs, and/or visiting corporate intranets is permitted, but downloading movies using P2P file sharing services and/or redirecting television signals for viewing on laptops is prohibited. A person engaged in prohibited uses, continuously for one hour, could typically use 100 to 200 MBs, or, if engaged in prohibited uses for 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, could use more than 5 GBs in a month.
For individual use only and not for resale. We reserve the right to protect our [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]network[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. We reserve the right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, and to deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is using an Unlimited Data Plan or Feature in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels. Anyone using more than 5 GB per line in a given month is presumed to be using the service in a manner prohibited above, and we reserve the right to immediately terminate the service of any such person without notice. We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term.
​

So... Two things to learn from that.

1, our Unlimited Data plans aren't as unlimited as everyone claims. There is a 5GB cap, and if you go over that, you run the risk of termination.

When pay for unlimited you get unlimited. I have many times been over 5gb month no fees. Everything states if they think you are and they judge by how much data you use.

2, tethering is not permitted. It is actually pretty blatant with this. You cannot use the phone as a server device, and if you are tethering, that's exactly what you are doing.

Most everyone knows this. It is the ones who cone one here to defend vzw that think no one knows tethering is not.

Rooting your phone is not permitted either. Vzw states in tos you are not allowed to modify your phone from factory condition. Even if jailbreaking is legal you still violate

Now, Verizon does allow for the Mobile Hot Spot which allows for you to tether, but that is a paid service. If you are tethering and you are not paying, you have blatantly violated the terms of service and risk a heavy fine or termination of your contract. There is no 'gray area' in this. It is explicitly spelled out in your contract.

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[pc747]

Not agreeing with either side in this debate (i'm sure as hell not tethering, it's not my wireless account to mess with) but just saying:

Back in the day, I had a RAZR v3m, on which it was possible to share internet with Bluetooth Dial up networking without any sort of data plan at all. At that point, verizon could definitely tell (not just based on insane usage) and they slapped those who did with ridiculous charges. At the same time, it was possible to switch the phone settings to get free WAP (essentially a really crappy version of mobile internet on the phone, for those of you who don't know), verizon could not track it, and nobody ever got charged for it.

This leads me to believe that if Verizon were able to track unauthorized tethering, they would absolutely charge ridiculous fees for it. After all, if you tether, you are absolutely 100% breaking their TOS which basically allows them to do anything they want to you in court (and thus effectively on your bill, since they know they'll win in court).

I think it would be interesting to find out, for those people that pay verizon for tethering, but use alternate apps to actually do it, whether or not their tethered devices actually appear on their bill as separate data consumption. I think this would be a pretty conclusive test in the affirmative (i.e. if they do show up as separate, then verizon can definitely tell if you're tethering, even with non-official apps).

That is what I am doing so next month ill have an answer.

 

[cynnar]

It states right there that they use data usage to determine if you are using in violation of tos.

Now why would they do that if they can tell who is guilty of tether?

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[iami]

One thing i believe will stop a lot of users from tethering is having a video out plug. I have the droid x and it has a hdmi out spot which is useless. It does not display anything out of this port except videos saved to my phone. And if i put it on a tv or computer monitor the quality is crappy at best no matter how good the video looks on the phone.

Reason I say get a video out is because i use mine mostly to stream video such as football while im at work on a sunday or for my son using apps such as blockbuster which i have to pay extra for. I used to avg about 7 to 10 gigs a month watching tv on my phone which is alowed. When i learned how to tether this allowed me and my son to watch these shows on a bigger screen i still only used about 7 to 10 gigs a month. So for those of you who say the bigger screen uses more data your just wrong. And for ones who say 2 gigs is enough if they give us tethering most people sneeze and two gigs is gone. Thats one reason you will never see me with a ATT phone.

If the had video out allowing me to view what im looking at on my phone onto a tv or computer monitor so i can see the screen better then i would never use tethering. Or is someone going to tell me using a bigger screen just to view my picture stealing as well. Are you going to tell me next that if i use a magnify glass to make my picture bigger like the old Nintendo Ds had that im stealing data.

It is the same data i pay for it i am using it im not letting the world tether off of me. Yes i can see you complain about the idoits who streem xbox on it and use 132 gigs a month kick them off. Yes i believe even the unlimited needs a limit but more like 10 to 20. Espicially since everyone will soon have 4g which can support more and now that the web is quick enough people will use there phones more. My 7 to 10 a month on a slow 3g will prob double on a 4g just because how much quicker it goes will alow me to use it more with out getting frustrated.

Another point is if they start putting tiers such as the 2gig max there going to make a lot of companies such as netflix and blockbuster. These companies charge around 10 bucks a month to stream video to your phone. Avg video is halg a gig to a whole gig. So your telling me with 2 gig for 30 bucks plus my extra ten i can watch about 4 movies a month and browse the web a little. thats crazy lol.

Tethering is not stealing most people only do it to make there screens bigger or to get sites that cell phones cant get to work yet. Fix these problems and we wont need to tether.

 

[yummyDroid]

Not agreeing with either side in this debate (i'm sure as hell not tethering, it's not my wireless account to mess with) but just saying:

Back in the day, I had a RAZR v3m, on which it was possible to share internet with Bluetooth Dial up networking without any sort of data plan at all. At that point, verizon could definitely tell (not just based on insane usage) and they slapped those who did with ridiculous charges. At the same time, it was possible to switch the phone settings to get free WAP (essentially a really crappy version of mobile internet on the phone, for those of you who don't know), verizon could not track it, and nobody ever got charged for it.

This leads me to believe that if Verizon were able to track unauthorized tethering, they would absolutely charge ridiculous fees for it. After all, if you tether, you are absolutely 100% breaking their TOS which basically allows them to do anything they want to you in court (and thus effectively on your bill, since they know they'll win in court).

I think it would be interesting to find out, for those people that pay verizon for tethering, but use alternate apps to actually do it, whether or not their tethered devices actually appear on their bill as separate data consumption. I think this would be a pretty conclusive test in the affirmative (i.e. if they do show up as separate, then verizon can definitely tell if you're tethering, even with non-official apps).

That is what I am doing so next month ill have an answer.

Cool man! I can't wait to see what happens

 

[gsdreams]

I remember when one of the "bypass" software that worked for feature phones and windows smartphones (back at winmob 5) got cracked down on. I was one of the ones using it and was hit with a $1,000 bill.

I know that if verizon has a way to track they are going to be looking at it from multiple perspectives. First, they want the tethering business so they may be waiting to make further changes to their pricing structure before enforcing it. They probably also don't want a repeat of the fiasco 5/6 years ago the last time they cracked down on tethering.

It's also a catch 22 situation for them. Verizon does everything they can to keep a customer. If Verizon cracks down and others don't they risk losing customers.

There are so many things to look at before they can consider taking steps against it right now that it wouldn't suprise me if it is 2 years before they figure out the appropriate action to take.

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[cynnar]

For those that are saying they can track you by Mac address read on.

On my Google findings I have that Mac address only goes from machine to machine only holds one and is replaced by the next Mac address.

Meaning every time packet hits a PC, router etc. The Mac is changed.

When you tether your pc/laptop Mac goes no further than your phone before the Mac address is changed.



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[cynnar]

Here is a good site to learn a little about it

http://ask-leo.com/whats_the_difference_between_a_mac_address_and_an_ip_address.html

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