VZW disabling tethering apps from market

[cynnar]

Does anyone know how they plan to differeniate the people that tether and do not tether? Simply going by data usage doesn't seem like a viable method. I don't directly know the capablities of the verizon to know where the data is going or if they just know the data is going to the phone.

I do agree though if a person if using over 10 gigs its hard to believe that they aren't tethering quite often.

I've tried debating this issue earlier and I just got called stupid and everything else.

Someone said they candidates do it this way. I said what about this that can stop it. In the end I was the one called names because I questioned what they had to say.

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Some of the ways they can tell is by the protocols used to fetch the data. Torrents use certain ones, so on and so forth. Now I have posed the question once before about if I was looking at my email account from my phone versus my computer who could really tell? Seeing as I can have the website on my phone open using the full website and not the mobile one. But i think the main issue here is that no matter what, it's illegal in the eyes of verizon. It's like trying to run from the cops... will you get away once in awhile.. maybe.. will they find you in the end? ... almost 100%

And I do believe that tethers know that. Just seems everyone thinks they don't.

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[freezyfreaky]

yeah i'm sure there's a provision that says "use of our service implies you agree" or something to that effect. a physical signature at the bottom of a page labeled "Terms of Service" isn't necessary, I'm sure.

It's in the customer agreement:

How Do I Accept This Agreement?
You accept this agreement by:
Agreeing in writing, by email, over the phone, or in person;
Opening a package that says you are accepting by opening it; or
Activating your Service.
When you accept, you're representing that you are at least 18 years old and are legally able to accept an agreement. If you're accepting for an organization, you're representing that you are authorized to bind that organization, and where the context requires, "you" means the organization.

If you don't want to accept, don't do any of these things. If you do accept, you can cancel a line of Service within 14 days of accepting without having to pay an early termination fee as long as you return any equipment you purchased from us at the time you accepted, but you'll still have to pay for your Service through that date. If you signed up for Prepaid Service, no refunds will be granted after 14 days or if your account has been activated.

Yep there you go. You might have destroyed the tether abusers' defense of "I never agreed to not tether" by posting that haha...

Let us never underestimate the ability for self-delusional justification! LOL

 

[czerdrill]

I don't think that the majority of those who tether think that it is ok or it is free or that they will never get caught. Everyone just assumes they think that way.

The ones who tether IMO do it for reasons like those who root. You root so you can have full control over your phone. You tether to have full control over the data.

Doesn't matter if it is legal or illegal, right or wrong, tos violation or not.



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Let's be really honest here. People unauthorized tether so they don't have to pay for it. Plain and simple.

haha yeah i said that earlier in this thread. some tether-ers like to pretend they're standing up to some injustice by VZW and are tethering as freedom fighters for unlimited data...it boils down to you want something for free haha

 

[czerdrill]

I've tried debating this issue earlier and I just got called stupid and everything else.

Someone said they candidates do it this way. I said what about this that can stop it. In the end I was the one called names because I questioned what they had to say.

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Some of the ways they can tell is by the protocols used to fetch the data. Torrents use certain ones, so on and so forth. Now I have posed the question once before about if I was looking at my email account from my phone versus my computer who could really tell? Seeing as I can have the website on my phone open using the full website and not the mobile one. But i think the main issue here is that no matter what, it's illegal in the eyes of verizon. It's like trying to run from the cops... will you get away once in awhile.. maybe.. will they find you in the end? ... almost 100%

And I do believe that tethers know that. Just seems everyone thinks they don't.

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So I don't get it. If they know that then why the "data is data!", "chinese buffets serve food", "I paid for my data, I'm not paying twice!", "unlimited means unlimited!!", "I can doz what I wantz"? If they know they're doing wrong, why do they go to all ends to justify it? Seems odd to me.

 

[cynnar]

Except it does matter if it's legal or illegal, because the people who use like 50GB a month are often the ones arguing "I can do watever I want because I already paid for data"...clearly they are misinformed, and fell like they're entitled to an ISP because they signed up for a cellphone data plan...:|

While I do agree it does matter that it is illegal let me rephrase the last part of my comment to be clear what I meant.

If you speed down the road you know you might get caught, but don't really care. (Sure you don't want a ticket) . From 1 mile over to 100 doesn't matter

Same for most of those who tether.
They don't really care if it is illegal and they know they might get caught.


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oh ok, so now you're saying that tether-ers just don't care. i can't argue with that, and if tether-ers know that and don't care when they have to pay a huge bill because they somehow misconstrued that VZW=home ISP then yeah...that's cool.

You seem to forget that root, tether, and anything else you do to your phone that carriers do not want you to do is considered hacking.

Hacking is not based on I didn't know it was illegal. They knew it as illegal from the start.

So YES they do know it is illegal and disregard it as easy as you do when you speed.

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[czerdrill]

While I do agree it does matter that it is illegal let me rephrase the last part of my comment to be clear what I meant.

If you speed down the road you know you might get caught, but don't really care. (Sure you don't want a ticket) . From 1 mile over to 100 doesn't matter

Same for most of those who tether.
They don't really care if it is illegal and they know they might get caught.


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oh ok, so now you're saying that tether-ers just don't care. i can't argue with that, and if tether-ers know that and don't care when they have to pay a huge bill because they somehow misconstrued that VZW=home ISP then yeah...that's cool.

You seem to forget that root, tether, and anything else you do to your phone that carriers do not want you to do is considered hacking.

Hacking is not based on I didn't know it was illegal. They knew it as illegal from the start.

So YES they do know it is illegal and disregard it as easy as you do when you speed.

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News to me. Coulda sworn everyone was here arguing about gray areas, and data is data, and making analogies about wonton soup or something...guess I misread, but probably not.

 

[cynnar]

Some of the ways they can tell is by the protocols used to fetch the data. Torrents use certain ones, so on and so forth. Now I have posed the question once before about if I was looking at my email account from my phone versus my computer who could really tell? Seeing as I can have the website on my phone open using the full website and not the mobile one. But i think the main issue here is that no matter what, it's illegal in the eyes of verizon. It's like trying to run from the cops... will you get away once in awhile.. maybe.. will they find you in the end? ... almost 100%

And I do believe that tethers know that. Just seems everyone thinks they don't.

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So I don't get it. If they know that then why the "data is data!", "chinese buffets serve food", "I paid for my data, I'm not paying twice!", "unlimited means unlimited!!", "I can doz what I wantz"? If they know they're doing wrong, why do they go to all ends to justify it? Seems odd to me.

I said most of the not all of them.
Some probably do feel this way.
Why does anyone tether? Why say I only do it sometimes, or I only use 50 MB. The turn around and say yeah they need to crack down on those guys for getting 20gb.
Don't you think they know it is illegal?

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[czerdrill]

And I do believe that tethers know that. Just seems everyone thinks they don't.

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So I don't get it. If they know that then why the "data is data!", "chinese buffets serve food", "I paid for my data, I'm not paying twice!", "unlimited means unlimited!!", "I can doz what I wantz"? If they know they're doing wrong, why do they go to all ends to justify it? Seems odd to me.

I said most of the not all of them.
Some probably do feel this way.
Why does anyone tether? Why say I only do it sometimes, or I only use 50 MB. The turn around and say yeah they need to crack down on those guys for getting 20gb.
Don't you think they know it is illegal?

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To be fair, you didn't say "most", you said "tether-ers know it"...but if you are correcting yourself and saying you meant "most", then that's cool.

 

[czerdrill]

Stand corrected, you did say most in your original post. Even still, it is funny that the ones who tether as an ISP are the ones who argue about dataa being data. The ones who tether actually dont make up these ridiculous justifications and analogies...

 

[cynnar]

oh ok, so now you're saying that tether-ers just don't care. i can't argue with that, and if tether-ers know that and don't care when they have to pay a huge bill because they somehow misconstrued that VZW=home ISP then yeah...that's cool.

You seem to forget that root, tether, and anything else you do to your phone that carriers do not want you to do is considered hacking.

Hacking is not based on I didn't know it was illegal. They knew it as illegal from the start.

So YES they do know it is illegal and disregard it as easy as you do when you speed.

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News to me. Coulda sworn everyone was here arguing about gray areas, and data is data, and making analogies about wonton soup or something...guess I misread, but probably not.

Now what does that have to do me in reply to explaining why I believe that those who tether disregard that it is illegal?



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[czerdrill]

You seem to forget that root, tether, and anything else you do to your phone that carriers do not want you to do is considered hacking.

Hacking is not based on I didn't know it was illegal. They knew it as illegal from the start.

So YES they do know it is illegal and disregard it as easy as you do when you speed.

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News to me. Coulda sworn everyone was here arguing about gray areas, and data is data, and making analogies about wonton soup or something...guess I misread, but probably not.

Now what does that have to do me in reply to explaining why I believe that those who tether disregard that it is illegal?



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because they don't act like they're disregarding it. they act as if they believe that they're entitled to it. it's not like they're posting "this is illegal and i dont caree!!!" rather they're saying "if you bring your family of 5 to a chinese buffet and buy eat two pints of chow mein, the fork you are using is the cellphone and the plate you eat on is verizon" or some ridiculous analogy.

like i said earlier, if they actually said "yeah we know its illegal and we don't care" no one here would be able to say anything in return. you are acting as if they've been saying this all along or something, and not trying to justify it...

 

[cynnar]

Stand corrected, you did say most in your original post. Even still, it is funny that the ones who tether as an ISP are the ones who argue about dataa being data. The ones who tether actually dont make up these ridiculous justifications and analogies...

Thank you. As you know since we have debated on other post. I don't tether, however I said I did in this forum to check different reactions.

And I found our those who think I tether think assume I fight the cause because I want something free. And almost everyone seems to think that my opinion does not matter.

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[cmaag]

Thats what i was figuring it was .... agreed its illegal but still wouldn't it be possible to make an app that makes a backdoor protection on the packets sent, testing them or altering them so that it would seem as if was requested by the phone. I know that it is possible to alter the packets sent by a desktop but for the phone i don't know enough about it.

Still this would only be putting off the certain that a crackdown will happen, it would just be some added protection for those sometimes tethers as most people are

 

[cynnar]

News to me. Coulda sworn everyone was here arguing about gray areas, and data is data, and making analogies about wonton soup or something...guess I misread, but probably not.

Now what does that have to do me in reply to explaining why I believe that those who tether disregard that it is illegal?



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because they don't act like they're disregarding it. they act as if they believe that they're entitled to it. it's not like they're posting "this is illegal and i dont caree!!!" rather they're saying "if you bring your family of 5 to a chinese buffet and buy eat two pints of chow mein, the fork you are using is the cellphone and the plate you eat on is verizon" or some ridiculous analogy.

like i said earlier, if they actually said "yeah we know its illegal and we don't care" no one here would be able to say anything in return. you are acting as if they've been saying this all along or something, and not trying to justify it...

IMO those are the ones who do not care to educate themselves on what they are doing. I never once said I was entitled to it but yet I was treated that way.

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[czerdrill]

Now what does that have to do me in reply to explaining why I believe that those who tether disregard that it is illegal?



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because they don't act like they're disregarding it. they act as if they believe that they're entitled to it. it's not like they're posting "this is illegal and i dont caree!!!" rather they're saying "if you bring your family of 5 to a chinese buffet and buy eat two pints of chow mein, the fork you are using is the cellphone and the plate you eat on is verizon" or some ridiculous analogy.

like i said earlier, if they actually said "yeah we know its illegal and we don't care" no one here would be able to say anything in return. you are acting as if they've been saying this all along or something, and not trying to justify it...

IMO those are the ones who do not care to educate themselves on what they are doing. I never once said I was entitled to it but yet I was treated that way.

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Well I'm being honest, you seemed to be saying that until now. That's why people were responding to you the way they did...