VZW disabling tethering apps from market

[New2u]

You might have to stop by a Verizon store for that. I went around looking on their site the other day and it was impossible to find even the current contract terminology. And considering your contract is printed on the receipt when you buy the phone, I don't believe they have your signature anywhere. (though, don't think this is any loophole... Their lawyers are smart enough to have figured a way around it to keep you liable)

Oh don't worry, i'm not trying to find loop-holes. And i'm 100% sure their lawyers are a lot smarter then I am with fighting lawsuits and dealing with people that try to find loop-holes and ways out from paying their bills.

 

[cynnar]

I don't think that the majority of those who tether think that it is ok or it is free or that they will never get caught. Everyone just assumes they think that way.

The ones who tether IMO do it for reasons like those who root. You root so you can have full control over your phone. You tether to have full control over the data.

Doesn't matter if it is legal or illegal, right or wrong, tos violation or not.



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[cmaag]

Does anyone know how they plan to differeniate the people that tether and do not tether? Simply going by data usage doesn't seem like a viable method. I don't directly know the capablities of the verizon to know where the data is going or if they just know the data is going to the phone.

I do agree though if a person if using over 10 gigs its hard to believe that they aren't tethering quite often.

 

[czerdrill]

I don't think that the majority of those who tether think that it is ok or it is free or that they will never get caught. Everyone just assumes they think that way.

The ones who tether IMO do it for reasons like those who root. You root so you can have full control over your phone. You tether to have full control over the data.

Doesn't matter if it is legal or illegal, right or wrong, tos violation or not.



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Except it does matter if it's legal or illegal, because the people who use like 50GB a month are often the ones arguing "I can do watever I want because I already paid for data"...clearly they are misinformed, and fell like they're entitled to an ISP because they signed up for a cellphone data plan...:|

 

[Zog]

Rofl. Thankfully I ask my friend who manages at a verizon location, and not tech support.

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[Beardface]

I don't think that the majority of those who tether think that it is ok or it is free or that they will never get caught. Everyone just assumes they think that way.

The ones who tether IMO do it for reasons like those who root. You root so you can have full control over your phone. You tether to have full control over the data.

Doesn't matter if it is legal or illegal, right or wrong, tos violation or not.



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Except it does matter if it's legal or illegal, because the people who use like 50GB a month are often the ones arguing "I can do watever I want because I already paid for data"...clearly they are misinformed, and fell like they're entitled to an ISP because they signed up for a cellphone data plan...:|

Don't bother... You know... brick wall, etc...

lol, I posted the contract terms yesterday and he replied with something about Wal-Mart. Still don't understand that one. And yes, it does matter if its legal or illegal. If its illegal, you won't only get fined, but you could be prosecuted if Verizon decides to go that way (and it would be a fairly open and shut case).

They aren't going to go after the little guys who do it. They'll go after the ones who are blatantly abusing it. Just like cops don't generally pull over people for going less than 10 over the speed limit (though, as we all know, they still do) Verizon won't generally go after anyone who is only tethering here and there. But that doesn't mean they won't.

 

[cynnar]

I don't think that the majority of those who tether think that it is ok or it is free or that they will never get caught. Everyone just assumes they think that way.

The ones who tether IMO do it for reasons like those who root. You root so you can have full control over your phone. You tether to have full control over the data.

Doesn't matter if it is legal or illegal, right or wrong, tos violation or not.



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Except it does matter if it's legal or illegal, because the people who use like 50GB a month are often the ones arguing "I can do watever I want because I already paid for data"...clearly they are misinformed, and fell like they're entitled to an ISP because they signed up for a cellphone data plan...:|

While I do agree it does matter that it is illegal let me rephrase the last part of my comment to be clear what I meant.

If you speed down the road you know you might get caught, but don't really care. (Sure you don't want a ticket) . From 1 mile over to 100 doesn't matter

Same for most of those who tether.
They don't really care if it is illegal and they know they might get caught.


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[New2u]

I don't think that the majority of those who tether think that it is ok or it is free or that they will never get caught. Everyone just assumes they think that way.

The ones who tether IMO do it for reasons like those who root. You root so you can have full control over your phone. You tether to have full control over the data.

Doesn't matter if it is legal or illegal, right or wrong, tos violation or not.



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Except it does matter if it's legal or illegal, because the people who use like 50GB a month are often the ones arguing "I can do watever I want because I already paid for data"...clearly they are misinformed, and fell like they're entitled to an ISP because they signed up for a cellphone data plan...:|

Which i think is another reason they are going to tiered data. While they do seem to charge twice for the same data if you are buying their tethered plan, it's just easier for them to say.. this is how much you have and if you go over.. welcome to paying more.

Right now, if you read the terms for wireless tether, it also states that if you have your phone set up to automatically connect to a WAP, and it uses data through the WAP, it's also being charged against your wireless tether amount, if you have the tether active. Which i think is kinda borderline crazy.

 

[cynnar]

Does anyone know how they plan to differeniate the people that tether and do not tether? Simply going by data usage doesn't seem like a viable method. I don't directly know the capablities of the verizon to know where the data is going or if they just know the data is going to the phone.

I do agree though if a person if using over 10 gigs its hard to believe that they aren't tethering quite often.

I've tried debating this issue earlier and I just got called stupid and everything else.

Someone said they candidates do it this way. I said what about this that can stop it. In the end I was the one called names because I questioned what they had to say.

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[freezyfreaky]

Yeah i'm not saying that i had a 6 year contract or anything like that. Do i tether, not normally. If i'm on the road and can't get wifi and i have to do something with our servers at work, yeah i'll connect for a couple minutes. That's the extent of what I do now. I used to use it to check my work email but have since bought touchdown, and not needed to do so, just get it through my phone now. The thing I was asking was merely for personal knowledge, not me trying to justify my ability to tether. Was trying to see if they actually had the contracts that you signed anywhere, when i tried to look it said that documents older then 1 yr weren't saved on that system anymore (their web based system).

You might have to stop by a Verizon store for that. I went around looking on their site the other day and it was impossible to find even the current contract terminology. And considering your contract is printed on the receipt when you buy the phone, I don't believe they have your signature anywhere. (though, don't think this is any loophole... Their lawyers are smart enough to have figured a way around it to keep you liable)

yeah i'm sure there's a provision that says "use of our service implies you agree" or something to that effect. a physical signature at the bottom of a page labeled "Terms of Service" isn't necessary, I'm sure.

It's in the customer agreement:

How Do I Accept This Agreement?
You accept this agreement by:
Agreeing in writing, by email, over the phone, or in person;
Opening a package that says you are accepting by opening it; or
Activating your Service.
When you accept, you're representing that you are at least 18 years old and are legally able to accept an agreement. If you're accepting for an organization, you're representing that you are authorized to bind that organization, and where the context requires, "you" means the organization.

If you don't want to accept, don't do any of these things. If you do accept, you can cancel a line of Service within 14 days of accepting without having to pay an early termination fee as long as you return any equipment you purchased from us at the time you accepted, but you'll still have to pay for your Service through that date. If you signed up for Prepaid Service, no refunds will be granted after 14 days or if your account has been activated.

 

[New2u]

Does anyone know how they plan to differeniate the people that tether and do not tether? Simply going by data usage doesn't seem like a viable method. I don't directly know the capablities of the verizon to know where the data is going or if they just know the data is going to the phone.

I do agree though if a person if using over 10 gigs its hard to believe that they aren't tethering quite often.

I've tried debating this issue earlier and I just got called stupid and everything else.

Someone said they candidates do it this way. I said what about this that can stop it. In the end I was the one called names because I questioned what they had to say.

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Some of the ways they can tell is by the protocols used to fetch the data. Torrents use certain ones, so on and so forth. Now I have posed the question once before about if I was looking at my email account from my phone versus my computer who could really tell? Seeing as I can have the website on my phone open using the full website and not the mobile one. But i think the main issue here is that no matter what, it's illegal in the eyes of verizon. It's like trying to run from the cops... will you get away once in awhile.. maybe.. will they find you in the end? ... almost 100%

 

[czerdrill]

I don't think that the majority of those who tether think that it is ok or it is free or that they will never get caught. Everyone just assumes they think that way.

The ones who tether IMO do it for reasons like those who root. You root so you can have full control over your phone. You tether to have full control over the data.

Doesn't matter if it is legal or illegal, right or wrong, tos violation or not.



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Except it does matter if it's legal or illegal, because the people who use like 50GB a month are often the ones arguing "I can do watever I want because I already paid for data"...clearly they are misinformed, and fell like they're entitled to an ISP because they signed up for a cellphone data plan...:|

While I do agree it does matter that it is illegal let me rephrase the last part of my comment to be clear what I meant.

If you speed down the road you know you might get caught, but don't really care. (Sure you don't want a ticket) . From 1 mile over to 100 doesn't matter

Same for most of those who tether.
They don't really care if it is illegal and they know they might get caught.


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oh ok, so now you're saying that tether-ers just don't care. i can't argue with that, and if tether-ers know that and don't care when they have to pay a huge bill because they somehow misconstrued that VZW=home ISP then yeah...that's cool.

 

[cynnar]

I don't think that the majority of those who tether think that it is ok or it is free or that they will never get caught. Everyone just assumes they think that way.

The ones who tether IMO do it for reasons like those who root. You root so you can have full control over your phone. You tether to have full control over the data.

Doesn't matter if it is legal or illegal, right or wrong, tos violation or not.



Sent from my Droid

Except it does matter if it's legal or illegal, because the people who use like 50GB a month are often the ones arguing "I can do watever I want because I already paid for data"...clearly they are misinformed, and fell like they're entitled to an ISP because they signed up for a cellphone data plan...:|

Don't bother... You know... brick wall, etc...

lol, I posted the contract terms yesterday and he replied with something about Wal-Mart. Still don't understand that one. And yes, it does matter if its legal or illegal. If its illegal, you won't only get fined, but you could be prosecuted if Verizon decides to go that way (and it would be a fairly open and shut case).

They aren't going to go after the little guys who do it. They'll go after the ones who are blatantly abusing it. Just like cops don't generally pull over people for going less than 10 over the speed limit (though, as we all know, they still do) Verizon won't generally go after anyone who is only tethering here and there. But that doesn't mean they won't.

The wal-mart post was a comment on the fact you said Verizon knows you tether but looks the other way. I said I wonder if wal-mart would adopt that policy.

It was not in regards to tos, customer agreement, or anything like that.

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[czerdrill]

You might have to stop by a Verizon store for that. I went around looking on their site the other day and it was impossible to find even the current contract terminology. And considering your contract is printed on the receipt when you buy the phone, I don't believe they have your signature anywhere. (though, don't think this is any loophole... Their lawyers are smart enough to have figured a way around it to keep you liable)

yeah i'm sure there's a provision that says "use of our service implies you agree" or something to that effect. a physical signature at the bottom of a page labeled "Terms of Service" isn't necessary, I'm sure.

It's in the customer agreement:

How Do I Accept This Agreement?
You accept this agreement by:
Agreeing in writing, by email, over the phone, or in person;
Opening a package that says you are accepting by opening it; or
Activating your Service.
When you accept, you're representing that you are at least 18 years old and are legally able to accept an agreement. If you're accepting for an organization, you're representing that you are authorized to bind that organization, and where the context requires, "you" means the organization.

If you don't want to accept, don't do any of these things. If you do accept, you can cancel a line of Service within 14 days of accepting without having to pay an early termination fee as long as you return any equipment you purchased from us at the time you accepted, but you'll still have to pay for your Service through that date. If you signed up for Prepaid Service, no refunds will be granted after 14 days or if your account has been activated.

Yep there you go. You might have destroyed the tether abusers' defense of "I never agreed to not tether" by posting that haha...

 

[freezyfreaky]

I don't think that the majority of those who tether think that it is ok or it is free or that they will never get caught. Everyone just assumes they think that way.

The ones who tether IMO do it for reasons like those who root. You root so you can have full control over your phone. You tether to have full control over the data.

Doesn't matter if it is legal or illegal, right or wrong, tos violation or not.



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Let's be really honest here. People unauthorized tether so they don't have to pay for it. Plain and simple.