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Who is waiting for the OTA ICS??
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I see a lot of people pinning hopes for their bionic on the OTA release of ICS. Let me step on my soapbox for just a moment.
o) If your system is screwed up in 905 (other than data drops which *MIGHT* be attributed to the radios and *MIGHT* be fixed in ICS), the expectation that the OTA is going to magically fix all your problems is laughable at best.
o) People with problems on their phone seem to expect a 1 click fix solution instead of taking ANY time to research and see if others have similar problems and god forbid what steps they may have taken to fix them.
o) When the 1 click magical fix doesn't happen, they're quick to blame the phone, the OS, moto, verizon, etc. But really, sometimes, it's not them to blame.
This situation is a little like going from Windows Vista to Windows 7, right? You have a crappy Vista install with corrupt data. You feel that upgrading to 7 will just fix it all. Cause it's a "new" OS. Well the corrupt data is being dragged over to the new environment. So, um, 7 doesn't work right. 7 SUCKS! MS SUCKS! OMG it didn't fix ANYTHING!
I see the same kinds of things going on with the Bionic. And like windows, sometimes a factory reset is the way forward. It's painful, not a lot of fun, but, in the end a clean start can go along way towards stability. If I were having lots of problems with my phone, I'd start there BEFORE I upgrade. I would NOT try to bring my old problems into a new environment. But that's just me.
That's not to say ICS won't fix bugs and improve things. But if you have corrupt system data, and you upgrade, well, you're not playing the odds on whether it'll fix things or make them worse.
Finally, take some time, read a little bit, and become educated about how your phone works and what options there are for fixing things. It'll do everyone some good. This is all just my opinion. Take it or leave it.
/soapbox
o) If your system is screwed up in 905 (other than data drops which *MIGHT* be attributed to the radios and *MIGHT* be fixed in ICS), the expectation that the OTA is going to magically fix all your problems is laughable at best.
o) People with problems on their phone seem to expect a 1 click fix solution instead of taking ANY time to research and see if others have similar problems and god forbid what steps they may have taken to fix them.
o) When the 1 click magical fix doesn't happen, they're quick to blame the phone, the OS, moto, verizon, etc. But really, sometimes, it's not them to blame.
This situation is a little like going from Windows Vista to Windows 7, right? You have a crappy Vista install with corrupt data. You feel that upgrading to 7 will just fix it all. Cause it's a "new" OS. Well the corrupt data is being dragged over to the new environment. So, um, 7 doesn't work right. 7 SUCKS! MS SUCKS! OMG it didn't fix ANYTHING!
I see the same kinds of things going on with the Bionic. And like windows, sometimes a factory reset is the way forward. It's painful, not a lot of fun, but, in the end a clean start can go along way towards stability. If I were having lots of problems with my phone, I'd start there BEFORE I upgrade. I would NOT try to bring my old problems into a new environment. But that's just me.
That's not to say ICS won't fix bugs and improve things. But if you have corrupt system data, and you upgrade, well, you're not playing the odds on whether it'll fix things or make them worse.
Finally, take some time, read a little bit, and become educated about how your phone works and what options there are for fixing things. It'll do everyone some good. This is all just my opinion. Take it or leave it.
/soapbox
When Froyo came out OTA (not a leak) for the OG Droid, there were two versions. One was a smaller patch that made changes to Eclair, the second was larger and was a full install. The explanation was that the second was for the Verizon stores so they could install that if a customer came in to complain about the OTA. I ended up installing the latter. I wonder if there'll be 2 versions available like that. Probably not.
No, we won't get 2 updates, but, we will likely get an FXZ leaked to us about 6-8 weeks after the OTA. And that's basically the same concept. Factory refresh of ICS and start over. Personally, I'd be doing that with 905 if I had issues. At least then you know you're not bringing issues to ICS. If it still doesn't work at that point, that's an entirely different conversation IMO. But, without doing that, how do you know where the issue is? You just assume and that's not good for anyone. Cause if it is corrupt data, you can FIX that. If it's genuinely a bug, that's on them.
bufordtpisser
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How dare you tell the truth Sam? I am edumacated and Cindy told me that the one click magic wand was gonna fix all of my issues. She would never lie like the people on those forum thingies.
Samari makes very valid points. Sure some Bionics came out with issues. But not all of them. And many times it is the user that causes the issues. As a tech and an administrator for more years than I care to mention, truly 90% of all of my issues were user related. The infamous id10t errors. If you have major issues don't upgrade, do a factory reset and start over. And before you start to customize, do all of your OS updates with a clean slate. Then make changes slowly. Easier to figure out which one of a few changes caused the issues than to figure out which of dozens of changes caused it.
Samari makes very valid points. Sure some Bionics came out with issues. But not all of them. And many times it is the user that causes the issues. As a tech and an administrator for more years than I care to mention, truly 90% of all of my issues were user related. The infamous id10t errors. If you have major issues don't upgrade, do a factory reset and start over. And before you start to customize, do all of your OS updates with a clean slate. Then make changes slowly. Easier to figure out which one of a few changes caused the issues than to figure out which of dozens of changes caused it.
Yea, I've been doing this kind of thing since I was 7. I'm a fair bit older now.....by a lot. 
I've been a software engineer for 16 years now and was on a help desk before that doing tech support. So I've seen my fair share of it, as well. A reset and start fresh is a major pain. Sometimes a good clean start is all you need.
I've been a software engineer for 16 years now and was on a help desk before that doing tech support. So I've seen my fair share of it, as well. A reset and start fresh is a major pain. Sometimes a good clean start is all you need.moneyfornothing
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Ics fixed all my data issues that 905 brought back. Ive never installed a clean system or factory reset. I was on the ota upgrade path, and would have never installed the leak, but 905 made my phone a piece of junk. Instead of going to buy a new phone, i tried the leak and can't be happier. I am 100 percent convinced the data drops is software related. 905 was just horrible. Now my phone never drops at all.
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Hence why I prefaced my soapbox comments with data drop issues as it's well known that they rewrote the radio code for ICS and that it's much more stable. I'm not saying you should ALWAYS factory reset when upgrading. Far from it. I'm saying if you have problems that are not data drop related that upgrading from that is likely to cause more problems, not less.