A Plan For A Brighter Android Future

[kptphalkon]

Lol either the z4root/koush's bootstrapper combo method if I have to sbf, or a pre-rooted rom. Wanna know if superuser is still there? Check your internal memory at /data/app and /system/preinstall/app.

 

[czerdrill]

@czerdrill
I still disagree with you. I think that with the right policies and information, a lot of this can be dealt with. 1KDS on DXF just sent me his beta version of a SBF disc. You just boot off the disc and all the SBF stuff is already on there. An SBF will fix anything. Bottom line. If it can be narrowed down to 2 steps. Put disc in, and then double click something. Then people can restore their phones and start over.

And your comments about the ROOT community straightening up. Is ridiculous. It's not our fault at all. Their system was flawed. Their was a loophole. Consumers are going to consume... thats what we do do. You can't blame people for figuring out how to consume more without paying for it. I tethered ALOT... why? Because I could. Why not? I don't have a moral code regarding my relationship with a provider I pay 100+ dollars a month. If they have a problem, call me up.. send me a notice.

I will tell you this. They tracked users in Washington DC, and 95% of the people who were tethering were doing it illegally. What does that tell you?

If people complain. They SBF, and then use the UNLOCK app to RE-LOCK, and then they go back to being a stock user. Done.

{{ WugFresh }}

I'm still trying to figure out why you think a non saavy user who bricks his phone is going to think "ohh ill just sbf and go back to stock". Your proposing something that requires educating people who have no interest or knowledge on how to root. You're assuming that its all just going to fall into place or something. That's what's ridiculous. If saavy consumers are consuming cuz "that's what we do" how can you possibly think that non saavy customers are just going to sbf when they mess up?

The "there was a loophole" argument doesn't somehow not make it your fault, man. That's the mentality that will ensure that this will never happen. I can claim my third bedroom as a home office on my taxes and chances are I won't get audited. Does that mean I'm right? You're proving my point. The android community is immature and is not just gonna suddenly start obeying their TOS spontaneously. Its naive to think they will, and even more naive to think vzw will allow it.

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[czerdrill]

Czerdrill, if we all promise to re-read your posts after someone posts something helpful will you stop repeating yourself? I'm just trying to help you to stop wasting your time trust me we all are fully aware that you do not believe this will work. It sank in after the 4th repeat. Start a seperate topic on why this won't work, I will pop over to your thread and read it.

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You're helping me stop wasting my time? Lol...k. I'm baffled that you guys don't understand that you're wasting your time. Like I mentioned just two posts ago, I get attacked for introducing logic. I understand you guys need a hero, just don't make me the villian for not agreeing with you...wug is being mature about it...his followers? Not so much.

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[Doulandroid]

Aren't we talking about changing the TOS for root users and giving one of those" side effects may include" speeches to anyone wanting to unlock their phone?

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[czerdrill]

Aren't we talking about changing the TOS for root users and giving one of those" side effects may include" speeches to anyone wanting to unlock their phone?

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And a community who has been finding every loophole known to man cuz "that's what we do" is going to just say "thanks verizon for this TOS. we have banded together and will never search out a loophole again"? You believe this. No. Seriously?

 

[WugFresh]

I solved the tethering loophole. Hard caps. Done.

There are no more variable costs that we can tamper with. All we can do is brick our phones and thats what insurance is for.

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[Doulandroid]

Logic is used to develop proofs using the scientific method. This helps us better understand our world and solve problems. The theorems that start those proofs are the basis to begin progression toward the solution to the problem, thus creating the answer. You can't say you are using logic to negate the question, because reasoning only begins once the theorems are being refined. We are essentially trying to parse out metaphysical problem right now in order to reach a physical, tangible solution in the future. That's how progress works, otherwise we would all still be dying of smallpox and leprosy.

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[czerdrill]

I solved the tethering loophole. Hard caps. Done.

There are no more variable costs that we can tamper with. All we can do is brick our phones and thats what insurance is for.

{{ WugFresh }}

You're missing my point, all the while proving it. You, by your own admission, stated "there was a loophole, so why wouldn't i take advantage of it"? And now you're suggesting that android rooters/hackers/devs are just going to sit back and not try to find anymore loopholes. That everything from here on out will be on the straight and narrow, and somehow Verizon is supposed to invest money off the hope that that will be the case. I just. Dont. understand. it. LOL. How can you possibly think, that any company that sees that 95% (your words not mine) of tether-ers in DC are illegally tethering, will say "Ok let's compromise with these people who have stolen service from us for two years". I seriously don't get it.

Rooters have taken advantage of their system for two years, and now rooters are going to bring them a plan that costs them money to help the rooters outs? How dumb do you think Verizon or any carrier is? "Hey, I just took advantage of the loopholes in your system for two years, cuz that's what we do, and now I would like to propose a way for you to spend more money and help us out!"

 

[czerdrill]

Logic is used to develop proofs using the scientific method. This helps us better understand our world and solve problems. The theorems that start those proofs are the basis to begin progression toward the solution to the problem, thus creating the answer. You can't say you are using logic to negate the question, because reasoning only begins once the theorems are being refined. We are essentially trying to parse out metaphysical problem right now in order to reach a physical, tangible solution in the future. That's how progress works, otherwise we would all still be dying of smallpox and leprosy.

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Logic | Define Logic at Dictionary.com

I was using it in the context of definition number 4, but thanks for your assessment of the scientific process.

 

[Doulandroid]

Obviously czerdrill never had a sat phone in the 80s or a cell in the 90s because those minute charges would make you have to sell your children to pay the bills. Point being Verizon is not god and the TOS is not carved in granite. Companies change as newer, fresher ideas change the landscape of successfully marketable ideas.
My friend had an exchange student girlfriend who had to go back to Australia in the early 90s. He had 800 dollar phone bills for months(poor guy), now he could video chat for free. Things change, that is the only constant. All it takes is for the consumer to require a certain level of fairness from a carrier.

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[WugFresh]

@czerdrill
You clearly are not understanding my perspective. I am not telling them to help root users. I am telling them to help themselves. How to turn a minus sign into three plus signs.

What loopholes? I just don't know what you are talking about.

The only variable cost is service. They track usage. If you reach your cap it doesn't matter how much hacking you do.... what loophole?

The plan is not about accommodating root users at all. If anything its about exploiting them for profit.

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[czerdrill]

Obviously czerdrill never had a sat phone in the 80s or a cell in the 90s because those minute charges would make you have to sell your children to pay the bills. Point being Verizon is not god and the TOS is not carved in granite. Companies change as newer, fresher ideas change the landscape of successfully marketable ideas.
My friend had an exchange student girlfriend who had to go back to Australia in the early 90s. He had 800 dollar phone bills for months(poor guy), now he could video chat for free. Things change, that is the only constant. All it takes is for the consumer to require a certain level of fairness from a carrier.

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again...you violate TOS knowingly and then expect fairness from the carrier? Again I don't understand your logic (definition 4 before you start telling me about theories and hypotheses).

I'm going to ask a yes/no question and I would like a yes/no answer if you please. You think that a company that apparently realizes that 95% (again, not my words) of its users in a city that tethers are illegally tethering, will compromise with 1% of its base? Yes/No?

 

[Doulandroid]

You actually went to dictionary.com to figure out if your negativity was defined? At least you only had to read three other definitions first. Nice.

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[czerdrill]

You actually went to dictionary.com to figure out if your negativity was defined? At least you only had to read three other definitions first. Nice.

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ah there it is. proven wrong, and the personal attacks commence. Nice, indeed.

 

[czerdrill]

@czerdrill
You clearly are not understanding my perspective. I am not telling them to help root users. I am telling them to help themselves. How to turn a minus sign into three plus signs.

What loopholes? I just don't know what you are talking about.

The only variable cost is service. They track usage. If you reach your cap it doesn't matter how much hacking you do.... what loophole?

The plan is not about accommodating root users at all. If anything its about exploiting them for profit.

{{ WugFresh }}

and you're not understanding mine. how can you turn a minus into a positive by investing more money? just answer that, that's all i want to know.

and what loopholes? you think that devs won't try to find a way to somehow trick the system to think they haven't rooted? i mean they found a way to tether illegally, a way to commit insurance/warranty fraud, and a way to remove throttles (for t-mobile although verizon users blindly worshipped the devs who said this was possible and swore "double the dl speeds!!"), and you're saying they will just stop trying to find loopholes? that suddenly every dev and basement wanna be popular guy is going to say "VZW is so AWESOME!!!! we don't need anything more!!!". i dont get it. your faith in the android community doesnt make sense.