A Plan For A Brighter Android Future

[Doulandroid]

You are asking me to assume a premises that may or may not be true, and also assuming that my yes or no answer will somehow make you correct in your arguments. Look up non sequitur and circular logic since you have a dictionary bookmarked.

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[czerdrill]

You are asking me to assume a premises that may or may not be true, and also assuming that my yes or no answer will somehow make you correct in your arguments. Look up non sequitur and circular logic since you have a dictionary bookmarked.

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So by avoiding my question, you're exercising sound logic and argumentation skills? Awesome. You just keep getting more entertaining.

I believe I alluded to the fact that it "may or may not be true" by placing in parentheses "again, not my words". What's your excuse for avoiding the question? It was a simple question, and your answer (or lack thereof) was just further proof that you are upset because someone doesn't agree with your hero worship.

 

[Doulandroid]

Anyway, you CANNOT "prove wugfresh doesn't have an idea worth pursuing anymore than you could prove manned flight was impossible in the 19th century. Man are those early films of guys with home brewed airplanes and autogyros funny though. You can't prove a negative.

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[czerdrill]

Anyway, you CANNOT "prove wugfresh doesn't have an idea worth pursuing anymore than you could prove manned flight was impossible in the 19th century. Man are those early films of guys with home brewed airplanes and autogyros funny though. You can't prove a negative.

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Thanks for avoiding the question, still. And yes, and here's where you and I are different, I can admit when you are right. And you're right, I can't prove a negative. I also can't prove that humans will never be able to fly by themselves by flapping their arms, or that humans won't be able to shapeshift. Or any other, for all intents and purposes, impossible thing. Yeah I can't prove them...but...um...i'm pretty sure. In fact, if I was a betting man, I'd be a billionaire betting on such things...just saying.

 

[lfylove]

Anyway, you CANNOT "prove wugfresh doesn't have an idea worth pursuing anymore than you could prove manned flight was impossible in the 19th century. Man are those early films of guys with home brewed airplanes and autogyros funny though. You can't prove a negative.

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Thanks for avoiding the question, still. And yes, and here's where you and I are different, I can admit when you are right. And you're right, I can't prove a negative. I also can't prove that humans will never be able to fly by themselves by flapping their arms, or that humans won't be able to shapeshift. Or any other, for all intents and purposes, impossible thing. Yeah I can't prove them...but...um...i'm pretty sure. In fact, if I was a betting man, I'd be a billionaire betting on such things...just saying.

Just leave us with our hope plz

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[WugFresh]

@czerdrill
You clearly are not understanding my perspective. I am not telling them to help root users. I am telling them to help themselves. How to turn a minus sign into three plus signs.

What loopholes? I just don't know what you are talking about.

The only variable cost is service. They track usage. If you reach your cap it doesn't matter how much hacking you do.... what loophole?

The plan is not about accommodating root users at all. If anything its about exploiting them for profit.

{{ WugFresh }}

and you're not understanding mine. how can you turn a minus into a positive by investing more money? just answer that, that's all i want to know.

and what loopholes? you think that devs won't try to find a way to somehow trick the system to think they haven't rooted? i mean they found a way to tether illegally, a way to commit insurance/warranty fraud, and a way to remove throttles (for t-mobile although verizon users blindly worshipped the devs who said this was possible and swore "double the dl speeds!!"), and you're saying they will just stop trying to find loopholes? that suddenly every dev and basement wanna be popular guy is going to say "VZW is so AWESOME!!!! we don't need anything more!!!". i dont get it. your faith in the android community doesnt make sense.

You have to sign up with the carrier for a DEV plan. Before you get your phone. It doesn't matter if you aren't rooted. You are on a DEV plan. You are a root user in their eyes.. they charge your accordingly.

How do you make money by investing money...???? Are you serious?

Czerdrill.. you have made a lot of good points, but this is just a really bad statement or your part.

ALL Business opportunities require investments. You have to spend money to make money. How do you propose to make money without spending money. If you could tell me that. I would drop out of school right now and join you on a business venture.

Please review the OP and note that I said I would do a break even analysis. Do you know what that is? Thats a graphical depiction which accounts for all fixed and variable costs, and all revenue streams, to show the exact amount of devices you would have to sell to start achieving profit. I am really confused at what you are getting at now...?

{{ WugFresh }}

 

[brenneisec]

Everyone needs to calm down and remember that this is a plan to fix the situation that we, as a community have put ourselves into. There is no use in pointing fingers. Nothing gets accomplished that way. Wug has put together a plan to help us all. This thread should be used to build and strengthen the plan, not criticize it. If you only have negative comments then direct them elsewhere. Everyone wants the same thing so why cant we work together towards it. The end result is not impossible. We need to stick together and not become segregated over someone's plan to help everyone.

 

[czerdrill]

@czerdrill
You clearly are not understanding my perspective. I am not telling them to help root users. I am telling them to help themselves. How to turn a minus sign into three plus signs.

What loopholes? I just don't know what you are talking about.

The only variable cost is service. They track usage. If you reach your cap it doesn't matter how much hacking you do.... what loophole?

The plan is not about accommodating root users at all. If anything its about exploiting them for profit.

{{ WugFresh }}

and you're not understanding mine. how can you turn a minus into a positive by investing more money? just answer that, that's all i want to know.

and what loopholes? you think that devs won't try to find a way to somehow trick the system to think they haven't rooted? i mean they found a way to tether illegally, a way to commit insurance/warranty fraud, and a way to remove throttles (for t-mobile although verizon users blindly worshipped the devs who said this was possible and swore "double the dl speeds!!"), and you're saying they will just stop trying to find loopholes? that suddenly every dev and basement wanna be popular guy is going to say "VZW is so AWESOME!!!! we don't need anything more!!!". i dont get it. your faith in the android community doesnt make sense.

You have to sign up with the carrier for a DEV plan. Before you get your phone. It doesn't matter if you aren't rooted. You are on a DEV plan. You are a root user in their eyes.. they charge your accordingly.

How do you make money by investing money...???? Are you serious?

Czerdrill.. you have made a lot of good points, but this is just a really bad statement or your part.

ALL Business opportunities require investments. You have to spend money to make money. How do you propose to make money without spending money. If you could tell me that. I would drop out of school right now and join you on a business venture.

Please review the OP and note that I said I would do a break even analysis. Do you know what that is? Thats a graphical depiction which accounts for all fixed and variable costs, and all revenue streams, to show the exact amount of devices you would have to sell to start achieving profit. I am really confused at what you are getting at now...?

{{ WugFresh }}

lol you are absolutely correct, and i apologize for any confusion. i dont mean they wont make money by investing money. what i mean is they'll only lose money by doing what your plan says. i dont see a way for them to make money by giving users that much power. its like me investing in enron right now. clearly i'm not going to make money. this plan doesnt afford them the possiblity of making money. how could they, when the current state of events requires no investment from them? charge our customers if they illegally tether, and dont allow a warranty replacement if we found out they rooted. how could allow "our customers to tether without paying extra, release extra devices for root users, train extra staff to handle root issues, and put root users on a special insurance plan" allow any profit?

 

[WugFresh]

@czerdrill

Furthermore my plan does not rely on any faith in anything. Just charge people. Thats it. There is zero trust necessary with the right policies

{{ WugFresh }}

 

[czerdrill]

Everyone needs to calm down and remember that this is a plan to fix the situation that we, as a community have put ourselves into. There is no use in pointing fingers. Nothing gets accomplished that way. Wug has put together a plan to help us all. This thread should be used to build and strengthen the plan, not criticize it. If you only have negative comments then direct them elsewhere. Everyone wants the same thing so why cant we work together towards it. The end result is not impossible. We need to stick together and not become segregated over someone's plan to help everyone.

I'll say it again, and from what I gather from wug, he'll agree with me. I am in no way whatsoever attacking wug or his plan. I am suggesting ways to build and strengthen it. And if anyone thinks I am not I have no problem apologizing for the confusion.

 

[really fascinating]

Czerdrill really why not just sign out of this thread. Ok we get it you don't like the idea, don't think it will work. Ok ok ok but really some of us do and we will never know with out first trying. You have nothing positive to say so think of it how your mom always told you if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all. So just quit hogging up the thread take your opinion else where.. its fine that you have it but I for one am sick of reading it. By the way wug its a good idea, a lot better than throwing random info at us to scare us from tethering llike some one did. Even though that turned out fun..... Sent from my DROIDX using DroidForums

 

[Doulandroid]

Ok, we will agree to disagree. You can prove a negative, by the way, given the right premise and doing it empirically instead of through symbolic logic equations. That's why I could not assume your limited yes or no question. I guess 3years of logic classes and a philosophy degree is useful sometimes. I still couldn't go back to a stock phone and wugfresh is not a hero, just someone trying to do something positive,succeed or fail. Fun debate, thanks, seriously.

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[czerdrill]

Ok, we will agree to disagree. You can prove a negative, by the way, given the right premise and doing it empirically instead of through symbolic logic equations. That's why I could not assume your limited yes or no question. I guess 3years of logic classes and a philosophy degree is useful sometimes. I still couldn't go back to a stock phone and wugfresh is not a hero, just someone trying to do something positive,succeed or fail. Fun debate, thanks, seriously.

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your welcome.

 

[czerdrill]

@czerdrill

Furthermore my plan does not rely on any faith in anything. Just charge people. Thats it. There is zero trust necessary with the right policies

{{ WugFresh }}

wug, i'll say it again. i appreciate your maturity in the face of criticism. but how do you assume that people will just be ok with just being charged with no support? that's what i dont get. the rooters are finding ways to cheat the system, and now you're assuming that they'll all be ok with "you do this, you're screwed, we won't help you". i'm just trying to understand why you believe this will be the case. especially if your plan involves letting non saavy users understand the benefits of rooting.

 

[Doulandroid]

It's you're not your. Sorry, couldn't help myself. Let's be friends;truce.

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